see? I'm not the only one who thinks the UFOs=Aliens myth is claptrap. They are highly advanced military air/space-craft. I've seen some of these dam things, remember, and they aren't from other planets.

my mobile is not getting any signal, hasnt done for the past hour, isnt the phone its working fine.

and you find that a conspiracy theory??

mehh, Taw for all I know you are an inch from the truth with your story of the workings of the Vatican. But as it is, I am an antichrist, I hate religions alike, yada yada yada, anywho, now that we are talking about conspiracies again,

"Certain powerfull organisations, like the IMF (International Monetary Fund) is causing the downwards spiral in todays economy so the US economy can flourish oncemore, while the US economy is in fact the weakest of all..."
(sorry chaps, but I had to get this off me tongue, please don't consider this a US bash)

"Also the IMF is keeping the economies of Russia lowdown so the roebel stays at its low value, because if you look at the industrial capacity of both countries, you can obviously see that the capacity of mother russia ouitranks that of the US by far.."
(sorry again)

Please note that these are just opinions, and certain thought processes, and sorry again for the apparent US bash, this is however not aimed against the US with all her <censor> and <censor>, but in the direction of the UN, and more specifically, the Corruption within the IMF.

LOL Funny, mine got a little scratchy when it usually had a clear connection just about TWO hours ago.

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@ff. Nertz! Loc posted before I could.

@Loc. IMF, World Bank, The Group of Seven, yadda, yadda, yadda. Corruption is rife in this world. Thing about corruption is that the motivating force of it, the greed, kind of is counter to the ability to have such large groups working in concert as "sharing" is ver much counter to being "greedy."

Edited by - Indy11 on 7/19/2004 1:45:23 PM

please, Ed. of course they're not incompatible, you set up a false dichotomy; what the point is that there is a worldwide corporate oligarchy that increasingly transcends national boundaries. There's nothing new in such an analysis, as you know. Similar cartels of interests have operated for years, but now they have grown and dominate the world's interlinked economy. For stability and the general common-weal, the mutual competition has to have some limits.

Taw, thanks for that info.

*remembered for future reference

As i said before, i never realised how popular this would become. Although i started this thread, i don't see conspiracy theories as paranoia. Conspiracy theories i think are more intrigue.

Obviously some are rubbish. Any thing unlcear or uncertaian regarding high level actions are going to attract theories of sorts. For instance the Diana one is a perfect example. Some bright young bod says ' why was this here and why did they do that ' and suddenly the royal family bloodied their hands. We will never know about the diana one if the royals were indeed behind her death because it is damaging to the Monarchy. Some the answers are probably the ones we already have. Area 51 is just an airforce base, diana died in a car crash, we are alone in this world.

I did however watch a programme on the history channel the other night and it was about state of the art weponary the US built during the cold war. One was famously that levitating saucer thing (can't remember its name). What it comes down to with this is

a)Where did the idea come from
b)How did they do it

The stealth bomber is a fine example. We have the Farnborough airshow going on at the moment (damn planes outside my work!) and the stealth is there. It came over two days back and this thing was silent until you heard it right above your head. A plane like that must have been in development for some time before being released. Again on the history channel they discussed this. Some top american engineer came up with a black design with triangles and it suddenly reflected radar. The idea or technology must have come from something if you compare it to what we did have. There was no transition period. For instance we had LP's -> Cassettes -> CD's -> mini disk. Everything has a transition period not - Big ass plane that may as well be pink -> Stealth fighters.

Sorry for this being long. Apologies bout spelling and grammer. its late.

Edited by - Bret Bretonian on 7/19/2004 3:23:05 PM

Edited by - Bret Bretonian on 7/19/2004 3:25:37 PM

It was the Europe Economic Council (EEC) that caused the US economy to start relying on it's debt as a source of strength. We were using silver and gold to secure our debt up until the 50's. That and the EEC didn't want to pay America back for all the cost of rebuilding after WWII.

See conspiracy theories are easy to manufacture. Worlds economy controlled.

I have been very amused by the topic when are we going to get to the Morlocks and how they are raising us for food?????

I haven't heard about the European Economic Community's central role in causing the US to enter into a deficit spending spiral in the 1950's. That's a new one. Care to elaborate?

@Taw: Somebody has to gainsay you guys!

Edited by - Indy11 on 7/19/2004 3:55:46 PM

Of course you have not heard of it. I just made it up in response to Taw blaming the worlds economy on the US. Or I mean that the space aliens let me in on the whole deal about the EEC and their plans to use the black helocopters to undermine the US economy.

TOOL!!!
Can't you see that we are all just being used by the man to spead his lies!

Sorry to spam but

@Taw - It was a Russian who first came up with the stealth design. Also the reason you can't hear it is the same reason that it is stealthy.

"The Kalman filter (named after its inventor, Rudolf Kalman) is an efficient recursive computational solution for tracking a time-dependent state vector with noisy equations of motion in real time by the least-squares method. It is used to separate signal from noise so as to optimally predict changes in a modeled system with time."

This mathmatic formula is the basis for stealth technology.

I thought it was the Germans who came up with it first, the Horten Brothers, in 44/45. prototype jet stealth bomber - looking remarkably like something you folks have today. there's one in the Smithsonian I believe.

Also sorry to spam but does Rudolf really sound like a russsian name?
I agree with Taw it was probably the Germans

i havent heard of the M16 ones, but ive heard of the rest, the diana ones do sound like they might have been the reasons tho. i do belive that the govt has ties to aliens since i keep hearing that there in the bibles and crap.

I'd just like to say that, as a firm believer in the old adage "trust ono-one", I find it gratifying to see so many people wallowing in paranoia. I thought that it was only Taw and I in the paranoid pews, but I can see now that I was wrong .