maybe 3 of the ships where destroyed still in the dock when the bombardment begain. beucase it says 5 ships launched and they made it it doesnt say anything bout ships they got destroyed before take off

Hey guys... Wait a second...

The Hispania? That sorta beat-up looking pile of scrap near Malta? Notice it looks more like a battleship than the Sleeper Ships... The Sleepers look like those heavy transports from Star Wars. Just look at the picture. That doesn't look like the Sleepers from the intro at all.

Sometimes, whoops IS the right answer.

it looks very much like and and if you scan it it says theres a 79.9% chance it is the hispania. and look at my screen shots there are sleeper pods inside of it.

Well, as for Italians being on the Hispania, think of this:

The Corsairs/ Outcasts planets aren't really all named after Spanish names. Planets and shipyards with the names of Crete, Malta, and Tripoli. Possibly, the Hispania was a ship full of Mediterranean people, not just Spanish...

"If there are other intelligent beings in the Universe, why aren't they here?". - Enrico Fermi

(Also known as the Fermi Paradox ...)

Whauh?! huh....maybe we'll find out in th SEQUAL? .... dugh

Since I've just read all this thread, I might as well put my tupence in!!

This is pure theory and guesswork since I haven't played SL...

Anyone of Scandinavian decent obviously did not make it from Sol System during the closing stages of the war is SL, simply due to the fact that I cannot recall a single instance of someone in FL with a Scandinavian name.
Sleeper Ship #6 with all the Scandinavians onboard didn't make it.

Anyone of Central Asian decent (Indian, Pakistani etc) did not make it due to the fact there are no instances of Central Asian people in FL (that I can recall), or at least not in significant numbers.
Sleeper Ship #7 with all the Central Asians onboard didn't make it.

Finally, no Latin American made it based on the rather sound theory that the Hispania was a Spanish/Mediterranean vessel, thus any Latin names can be accounted for.
Sleeper Ship #8 with all the Latin Americans onboard didn't make it.

Either these ships were launched prior to the Coalitions final attack and simply got lost on the way (and are waiting to be discovered in a future add-on/sequel), or they never made it off Pluto(?) in the first place.



We don't really own this place, just break a few arms if we have to - Bounty Hunter Mitch Murphy, Bonn Station.

This is from StarLancer Manual:

Alliance Fleets (Symbol: Eagle with spread wings with Red Rising Sun background):

American (Liberty)
British (Bretonia)
German (Rheinland)
Japanese (Kusari)
Spanish (Hispania)

Italian
French


Coalition (Symbol: Dragon serpent entwined around sword with 8 pointed star background):

A newly formed Coalition of Eastern Nations has made a grab for power...


From the above, it looks like France and Itali made up 2 of the 3 missing sleeper ships. I would guess the 3rd ship to be Dutch or Potugese, since both of them held empired in 18th - 19th centuries.

China and Inidia would more than likely have been the Coalition, the guys who forced the Alliance out of Earth into Sirius.

Just like Merchant Prince, having read the wholer thread I have to put my cents in as well.

- I seriously doubt that the Portuguese ppl got on board the Hispania, as someone suggested. Just look at Outcast/Corsair pilot names... they aren't those insanely long portuguese ones . Speaking of the Outcasts/Corsaris, their bases are named for places that have been pirate outposts some time ago in the past. However it baffles me, why they named it so before they switched to piracy and cardamine trade.

- Sleeper ships. Obviusly the French have been left out (heck, they even had an OWN fighter in Starlancer), but in the light of recent events including a French ship would make every American laugh at the designers . Still, I feel that a French sleeper should be in.

- Same thing goes for the Italians. The destruction of their fleet doesn't really mean anything beside that. After all, they did get at least one Italian squadron back (Hornets).

- The last sleeper is the hardest one. Looking at the political map it seems that a Scandinavian one is lacking, however you didn't get any Scandinavian stuff in SL. There was one (yes, one) pilot from South Africa tho, but I think those guys were shipped with the Liberty or the Bretonia (why the hell did they called it that? sound more like the region in France to me). I don't remember any Australian reference in SL, but personally I find the Oceanic ship (aussies + New Zealand + occasional immigrant) the most likely.

I still don't understand how anyone can think the French or Italians were on Sleeper Ships, when in Sl (or maybe i was the Sl demo, don't remember) one of the major characters clearly stated that the French and Italian fleets had been wiped out. Therefore, there wouldn't be any French/Italian sleeper ships, as they would either be dead, or under the control of the Coalition.

Because the French and Italians were an important part of the Alliance Fleet (important enough to be mentioned) and they are, well important human cultures, they should (should!) be included.

However, this Solar War raged for a 100 years, which saw both the French and Italian fleets destroyed on day 1 of this 100-year war. I don't know if the rest of the alliance would be so kind to build at least two ships for the French and Italian survivors. Then again, maybe they would. If there were eight ships, then the French and Italians must be included. What are the alternatives? Dutch? Swiss? Come on, those countries are all too small.

When guessing the 'nationality' of the third ship, you should know that in SL there still was a cold war. Almost entire Africa and large parts of the Middle east would be in favour of the communists. India too. Indonesia as well.

My best guess is the third should be either South American, Oceanic or Scandinavian.

And what's up with those ex-Hispanians. Almost all their bases and planets have non-spanish names. Cadiz, Malta, Crete and what not. Sure they were once part of the Spanish Empire (in 1492 or something), but I think it's rather stupid.

Mokum, even when the Italian and French fleet got destroyed, by the end of Sl space up to Jupiter was liberated and the alliance had a big industrial base. Don't you think they would pump some money to building new ships and giving them to the new French or Italian navies?

The 3 main regions of the Eastern Coalition were Russia, China and the Tigris Confederacy.

The following nationalities were reprasented as pilots in the Western Alliance in StarLancer:

UK
Canada
US
Japan
Germany
Itay
France
Australia
South Africa

The French and Italian fleets surrendered at the start of the Solar War, probably due to them being trapped near the systems core planets. Another possibility is that they were the fleets at Fort Kennedy, and bore the brunt of the Coalition's surprise attack on the base (this is backed up to an extent by the fact that the main Alliance fighter at Fort kennedy was the French Mirage IV). French pilots and Italian squadrons were mentioned in the game (the 45th had a French and Italian pilots, and the Italian Hornets were wiped out by the Zakov and it's fighter support). However, this means nothing when it comes to the civilian populations, these could have crewed sleeper ships.

As for wether France and Itay's forces were depleted prior to the Solar War, the pre-war history of the Alliance/Coalition seems to have been primarily a case of small border/colonial conflicts, with the sole exception of the Europa Conflict about a decade before the Fort Kennedy Massacre that trigger the Solar War. Ad far as I can tell, the Europa Conflict was a relativly short-lived conflict, and it was unlikly that exteremily heavy losses would have occured, and even if they did, then they would have been adequit time to rebuild before the Solar war started.

To the best of my knowledge the Alliance didn't have any Spanish pilots, squadrons or ships that were mentioned in StarLancer, they may well have been some, but they weren't mentioned in the game at all.

There is a very good possibility that African/South Asian sleeper ships made up the Exodus Fleet, as I can't believe that all those countries could have formed part of the Coalition. But then again, perhaps they did? It would explain the odds tipping in the Coalition's favout in the Solar War.

TjM - every one of the four major Alliance nations in SL (UK, US, Germany, Japan) had their "own" ships ie. ships that were primarily built by the nation:

France: Mirage IV
UK: Crusader, Tempest
Japan: Naginata, Shround, Phoenix
Germany: Grendel, Wolverine
US: Predator, Coyote, Patriot, Reaper


And do you know whats scary? All that comes from memory...

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Almost entire Africa and large parts of the Middle east would be in favour of the communists. India too. Indonesia as well.

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LOL. I'm Indonesian, and I can't speak for Africa or Middle East,or India but Indonesia as it is now, is very, VERY capitalistic and right-winged. It might be corrupt and plagued with religious extremism and threatened to go Balkan, but it historically had bad rub with communism (bloody, failed coup by communists). The existence of communism is virtually banned.

Please recheck your sources before you make your next "educated" assumption.




Aku. Soku. Zan. (Kill. Evil. Instantly.)

Selerox, The Phoenix was an American design.. Judging by the US Insignia on the Hull. However, it could have been a joint venture between Japan and the USA.
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Someone mentioned the Hispania was of Mediterranean origin. It makes sense. If the Hispania was just a Spainish vessel, it would have been named the 'Iberia'. Hispania might be referred to as the old Roman empire. Not unlikely, but Crete is an island near Greece. In fact, Crete is several kilometers closer to Greece than Spain. Malta is south of Sicily, which in turn is south of the Italian Penninsula. It appears the Hispania held both Spainish and Italian civilians.