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Sabre is the best lvl 10 ship

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Post Sat Apr 05, 2003 1:16 am

That's great and all, but we're not talking about the pilot. The fact is, given equal skill , the Eagle wins, period.

A couple of things:

The titan's (or for that matter, the sabre's) so-called advantage of armor is a joke. Titan gets an extra 2700. The total amount of damage an eagle can take, with lvl 10 brigandine shield, is 18180. In other words, the titan has an increased damage tolerance of roughly 7 percent, wow. This doesn't even include the nanos/shields, which brings it down to less than 0.04%. Add to that the fact that the shield is regenerating at a rate of 187, AND that most guns do double damage to armor compared to shield and the advantage goes out the window. Now, the -real- Titan's advantage is the ability to carry more nanos/batts, but even this is flimsy. Basically, if you add up the total armor and shield a titan and an eagle gets, you get 55200/29580 and 47700/27180, a rather insignificant difference, once you remember that, again, shield is regenerating at 187/s. Of course, this is all pointless, since the Titan's extra armor and shield will -never- come into play except for in PvPs, while the Eagle's advantage can be used anywhere.

Now, on to Sabre's turret. The damage on a Nomad blaster is 635/317 at a reload rate of 4.00. The Wyrm is 652/326 at reload rate of 3.03. That's a whopping 14111/7047 damage/s. An extra 1956/976 damage/s from a Salamanca turret (489/244 at rate of 4.00) is not going to turn the tide of battle.

Now despite all of this, I actually like the Titan the best. However, the Eagle is clearly the best of the three, and you Sabre fanboys who think that little extra bit of manueverability doesn't make a difference have never played a true space or combat flight sim.

Post Sat Apr 05, 2003 4:25 am

Hey happenings,

u cut ur engine! u cut it if u want to! makes u a very nice stationary target if we are in line with one another. if were not then u are now moving in a straight line(relative to me), very easy to aim at. ive flown against good pilots who used cut-engine manuevering, they went faster than the others! my point here is when u do that u have just dropped ALL ur manuevering ability. sorry man.

asteroid field???

kergen

Edited by - Kergen on 05-04-2003 05:35:29

Post Sat Apr 05, 2003 6:39 am

You've never been in a PvP dogfight, have you? The point is to cut your engines while you're NOT in their line of vision, so when they finally do get a lock on you, you hit your thrusters in a completely different direction and make their shots go way off target. I'm simplifying it a bit, but Ireally don't think you're the one to be giving lectures about dogfighting here, esp. not when you finish your post implying you don't even know how to use asteroids to your tactical advantage.

Post Sat Apr 05, 2003 4:50 pm

IMO tje Saber is the best SP ship, while the eagle is yje netter for PvP.
Manueverability dorsn't seem to mean much of anuthing in the SP game as all of the NPC ships seem faster and more manueverable ... although very stupid.
Maybe if the other to gunmounts were active on the saber it would be much more formiddable in PvP ... but they aren't, so it ain't.

Post Sat Apr 05, 2003 5:12 pm

I must say that I agree with the comment above about the VHF being redicilously overpowered.

I've tried the HammerHead, the Sabre and the Eagle so far, and I actually found the HammerHead to be the best of the three. It even had a much lower shield than my current Eagle, but I still could take on six Corsair Centurions and not use batteries at all. In my Eagle I often find myself with no shield when fighting 5+ HF from the Hessians or the Corsairs. (Currently using the Barrier lvl 9 H.F. shield.)

All this discussion about which ship is better really boils down to one thing; personal preference.

-KJ

Post Sat Apr 05, 2003 5:30 pm

.....cool

Post Sat Apr 05, 2003 5:38 pm

Again with the "personal preference" and anecdotal arguments. When you are people going to figure out that your opinion -does not matter-. People who design real combat aircrafts do -not- design the way they do because "they feel like it". It's either better, or it's not. And hell, I once beat a guy in a Eagle with a Falcon, does that make Falcon the better ship? Hell no! Just because you did better in a ship ONCE does not "proof" that ship is better. You want to use the Hammerhead, then by all means. As I said, I actually LIKE the titan, despite its flaws. But we're talking about what's the BEST ship, so either present the facts or kindly STFU.

As for the sabre doing better in SP, that's just ignoring what has been said in this thread half a dozen times and that is, with superior manueverability, you can easily do far more damage, even with reduced firepower.

Post Sat Apr 05, 2003 5:53 pm

Actualy, it isn't all about the "facts." All that really matters is pilot skill. I could take a newbie in a titan with a defender if he/she were that bad. Though that probably is never going to happen..either way; if you are good with the eagle, use it. If you are better when using the sabre, go ahead. Not everyone is "good" with the same ship. Someone may be able to beat a maneuverable eagle with a Titan if they are "good" with the Titan. It really all depends on what you're the best with. Which could be called "personal preferance" Sure the "fact" is that the eagle is more maneuverable, but if you don't know how to use it, it won't make a difference. Same thing applies to the other ships. I prefer teh eagle, because I'm better with it than with the others.


-From the gates of Heaven to the depths of Hell; one, the Protecter; sees all, knows all, defends the innocent.

Post Sat Apr 05, 2003 6:05 pm

Why is "given equal skill" so hard for people here to understand? For that matter, why is it so hard to take advantage of manueverability? You turn faster, you shoot more, and you take less hit, it's that simple. Unless of course you don't use mouse filght and fly perfectly straight, in which case you're screwed, and no ship in the world will save you.

Post Sat Apr 05, 2003 8:20 pm

Ranpostgen!!!

I FEEL YOUR PAIN!!!!! hehehehe .. it just seems like there are nothing but morons on this thread!!! OMG!!! how STUPID are you people!!!!!

LOOK FOR MY ORIGINAL POST! AND ALL OF Ranpostgen POSTINGS on this thread! geeez!!!! ...

If i meet you morons on one of the servers and you are flying your SABRE and you think u can take me out in the eagle???? hahahahahahha PUH LEEZ!!!! the only time u will see my ship, is when im unloading a full round of diamondback & wild fire shots on you!!!

Ranpostgen i have to disagree with you about the engine kill ... its doesnt mean a damn thing to be able to thrust away at a diff angle and KEEP AVOIDING the shots from the eagle pilot ... why? .. coz THATS ALL that you will be doing! .. you will NEVER be able to turn on the EAGLE faster than it can turn on you. Every time you turn to face it, i gurantee it will be firing on you before you can get off your first shot ... and by that time .... the eagle pilot will thrust away and u got nothing to do but start avoiding again!

TRUST ME ON THIS! ... ive been flying flight/space sims since the days of wireframe flight/space sims!! =P ....

FYI! my fav ship IS the SABRE! ... but like my original post says .... FACT IS FACT!!!!! BEST SHIP = EAGLE!!! GET it through your thick skulls!!!!

i learned the hard way through PVP in my sabre .... Eagle is undoubtedly the best ship!!!!! SP/MP... WHATEVER!!! it doesnt matter what your opinion is!!!!

GEEEEEEZ!!! im gonna pop a vein!!!! DO YOU KNOW HOW FRUSTRATING IT IS TO READ your stupid comments?!?!?!?!?!?!?



Kergen, I guarantee my Sabre would smoke your Eagle any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

It's all in the pilot. Sabre turns fast enough, one engine cut after a quick burn and I'd be on you in a second. Your hull would crumple soooo fast.



DO YOU KNOW HOW STUPID THAT SOUNDS?!?!?!?!?!??!?! ASK ANY PVP PLAYER!!! they would laugh their asses off!!!!



Eagle may be zippy, but a good sabre pilot will beat them any day. Especially in an asteroid field.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAa

OMG!!!!

AAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

HOW STUPID ARE YOU?!?!?!?! pretty stupid i guess!!!! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

to all you people who talk about ...

All that really matters is pilot skill.


we could go on our ENTIRE life talking about pilot skill ... its a DAMN variable FACTOR!!!! Ranpostgen has already been so kind as to state the fact that was missing in my original post ...

FACT: ASSUMING PLAYER SKILL FOR BOTH SHIPS IS EQUAL!!!!

do you people understand english here?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? HAVE YOU PPL ACTUALY READ ALL THE POSTS BEFORE POSTING YOUR LAMEBRAIN COMMENTS?!?!?!?!?

stupid stupid stupid ......

ahhh .... feel much better ....

just had to let out all that frustration .. if i have offended anyone (i obviously must have), please accept my sincere apologies & sympathies that you are so stupid that you cant comprehend simple facts.

oooo ... was that sentence too long? .. wait .. was my post too long????
did any of you catch that?? ... i know .. ill summarize for you ...

OPINION - Sabre is coolest, bestest ship.

FACT - Eagle is the best.

comprende?

Edited by - noelho on 05-04-2003 21:21:54

Post Sat Apr 05, 2003 8:41 pm

hello,

>> "You've never been in a PvP dogfight, have you" << did u not read my posts? of course i have.

i dont want to repeat myself, so read the post right before the one in which u said this again. i have yet to see a pilot squeeze an advantage out of cutting their engine. and no im not implyin i dont know how to use an asteroid field to my advantage. sometimes its the only place i can engage my cruise engine against the bounty hunters (they slow me down grrrrr). i was tryong to ask him to elaborate on his comment on how HE could against an eagle. why am i not allowed to give lectures on dogfighting? u know nothing about me..... im not giving him a lecture im telling him what my experience has taught me:

1) in my eagle i can (and do) kill sabre's w/o gettin hit
2) i can (and do) kill people who cut their engines faster than people who dont

it makes it easy to judge their flight path. id like to know how you can say that i cant say things about dogfighting, i dont understand that.

everything else youve said i totally agree with!

kergen


Edited by - Kergen on 05-04-2003 22:27:58

Post Sat Apr 05, 2003 8:45 pm

kergen, i TOTALLY agree about the engine kill bit

Post Sat Apr 05, 2003 9:27 pm

hey,

thx noel. hehe, ur last post must have been very liberating. all that pent up frustration gone!!!! if people dont understand, and they believe they will do better in a sabre, they wont change over just cuz we said our 4 cents. so i will keep killin sabres and try to prove my point.

kergen

Post Sat Apr 05, 2003 10:15 pm

noelho: I'm glad you agree but you really need to calm down 0_o

As for the engine-kill bit, this is one of those things that can only be resolved with a good old fashion duel, and no amount of arguing will solve anything. All I can say is: learn to use it, it's damned useful, even if you seriously believe it has no use in combat.

Edited by - Ranpostgen on 05-04-2003 23:20:19

Post Sat Apr 05, 2003 10:42 pm

I find that the dagger is the best, the others look to ugly for me to fly(except the eagle, but the dagger is still cooler)

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