If it wasn't for US, all of Europe would've been under the yolk of Hitler's rule. Thousands of more people would have been killed. Great Britain wouldn't have been able to fight the war on it's own. True, we didn't enter the war until the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, but I think even without Pearl Harbor, we would've gotten involved, one way or another. I'm American, and I'm goddamned proud of it. Even though we have a bonehead for a president. I can understand anti-American sentiment of today to a point due to our "foreign policy." But that's no reason for us not to respect each other. I have total respect for Great Britain and those countries that helped fight evil during the second World War.
"Violence is the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived."
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Sixth of June, 1944
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Sun Jun 06, 2004 10:59 am
I have seen better remembrance threads then this, so will you two quit it already, it isn't about you two
Your both raised with certain sentiments, I am fine with that, but you know its against the rules stated in our fine little FAQ. It clearly states there, and I quote:
P.S. Heltak, Before you say "Bite me" or anything similar, think twice, will you, this is official, and don't be surprised if you get a warning if you persist in this style of conversation.
Edited by - Locutus on 6/6/2004 12:01:26 PM
Your both raised with certain sentiments, I am fine with that, but you know its against the rules stated in our fine little FAQ. It clearly states there, and I quote:
This squabbling on America surely includes Politics. So quit it. Before this thread gets clicked because of the politics
Certain topics are not allowed, for example do we have a policy that we will not allow topics on politics , religion or race .
P.S. Heltak, Before you say "Bite me" or anything similar, think twice, will you, this is official, and don't be surprised if you get a warning if you persist in this style of conversation.
Edited by - Locutus on 6/6/2004 12:01:26 PM
Sun Jun 06, 2004 2:07 pm
interesting.
i've not got a tv so i've managed to stay away from the media circus that is "d-day + 21915" but from what it sounds like, the world's press has used it to drum up support for nations and get us all thinking about a time when wars were faught over the freedom of the world. Heltak has a point in some respects. We generalise FAR too readily with words like "evil", as if everything was binary, good or bad, we were good, they were bad. Remembering that history is written by the victors and all, i fail to believe butter wouldnt have melted in the allies' mouth. It was a war, both sides did questionable things (like incinerate two japanese cities) and both sides were convinced that the other was the epitimy of evil. The German army had alot of soldiers fighting for them that didnt believe what they were doing, hell the numbers of troops that surrendered screams this fact. The war wasnt black and white enough to label the opposition as "evil". The leaders were, probably to the core, but the leaders werent the ones being shot at on a daily basis.
I'll remember the normandy landings, the break into europe and the campaign that won our side the war in europe, i've not problem with that. I dont want to know off the soldiers what it was like though. I dont ever want to know, i dont want anyone ever again to know it. I dont wanna hear some hard up celeb talking about how he admires the men that faught that day were. I respect them, i dont need to be told that other people do to confirm my decision, so i feel good about it in that its what society also thinks and im a good boy for agreeing.
"I've seen things you people wouldnt believe.
Attacked ships on fire off the shoulder of orion. Ive seen C-Beams glitter in the darkness at tannhauser gate.
All those moments, will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.
Time, to die."
Edited by - Arcon on 6/6/2004 3:14:35 PM
i've not got a tv so i've managed to stay away from the media circus that is "d-day + 21915" but from what it sounds like, the world's press has used it to drum up support for nations and get us all thinking about a time when wars were faught over the freedom of the world. Heltak has a point in some respects. We generalise FAR too readily with words like "evil", as if everything was binary, good or bad, we were good, they were bad. Remembering that history is written by the victors and all, i fail to believe butter wouldnt have melted in the allies' mouth. It was a war, both sides did questionable things (like incinerate two japanese cities) and both sides were convinced that the other was the epitimy of evil. The German army had alot of soldiers fighting for them that didnt believe what they were doing, hell the numbers of troops that surrendered screams this fact. The war wasnt black and white enough to label the opposition as "evil". The leaders were, probably to the core, but the leaders werent the ones being shot at on a daily basis.
I'll remember the normandy landings, the break into europe and the campaign that won our side the war in europe, i've not problem with that. I dont want to know off the soldiers what it was like though. I dont ever want to know, i dont want anyone ever again to know it. I dont wanna hear some hard up celeb talking about how he admires the men that faught that day were. I respect them, i dont need to be told that other people do to confirm my decision, so i feel good about it in that its what society also thinks and im a good boy for agreeing.
"I've seen things you people wouldnt believe.
Attacked ships on fire off the shoulder of orion. Ive seen C-Beams glitter in the darkness at tannhauser gate.
All those moments, will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.
Time, to die."
Edited by - Arcon on 6/6/2004 3:14:35 PM
Sun Jun 06, 2004 10:59 pm
Well, this is just sad. Terrible thing to do in a thread dedicated to remembering true heros. Whatever their nationality, whatever their beliefs these were men who not only endured an incredible terror in order to free Europe from fascism but also to preempt the spread of communism. The reason the 60th anniversary is so important is because there will be very few of these old gents left in 10 or 15 years. Salute them while they're still here.
I consider myself extremely fortunate to have been born early enough that I could talk with some of the D-Day vets and actually grasp just what they mean to this world. I wish my son could understand what his great-grandfather went through before he passes on but I doubt that Gramps will live that long.
I'm an extremely patriotic American and a combat vet myself, so I should be angry right now but I'm not. Just utterly disappointed that some of you have completely missed the purpose in showing these men some respect. Stick your politics up your ass, the 6th of June isn't about you.
Edit = misspelt fascism.
Edited by - kaegogi on 6/7/2004 12:16:23 AM
I consider myself extremely fortunate to have been born early enough that I could talk with some of the D-Day vets and actually grasp just what they mean to this world. I wish my son could understand what his great-grandfather went through before he passes on but I doubt that Gramps will live that long.
I'm an extremely patriotic American and a combat vet myself, so I should be angry right now but I'm not. Just utterly disappointed that some of you have completely missed the purpose in showing these men some respect. Stick your politics up your ass, the 6th of June isn't about you.
Edit = misspelt fascism.
Edited by - kaegogi on 6/7/2004 12:16:23 AM
Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:46 am
@nice post wiz
@ Kaegogi, Thank you
@taw, recusant and a few others this aint meant for you ignore the sig
@most of the rest, the sig says it all
People died for your freedoms so you can sit and whine years later about how they didn't do anything for you. BAH! what a bunch of insolent selfish puppies.
Edited by - ssjgarretjax on 6/7/2004 4:48:39 AM
Edited by - ssjgarretjax on 6/7/2004 4:50:53 AM
Edited by - ssjgarretjax on 6/7/2004 5:04:38 AM
@ Kaegogi, Thank you
@taw, recusant and a few others this aint meant for you ignore the sig
@most of the rest, the sig says it all
People died for your freedoms so you can sit and whine years later about how they didn't do anything for you. BAH! what a bunch of insolent selfish puppies.
Edited by - ssjgarretjax on 6/7/2004 4:48:39 AM
Edited by - ssjgarretjax on 6/7/2004 4:50:53 AM
Edited by - ssjgarretjax on 6/7/2004 5:04:38 AM
Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:53 am
*Salutes* Indeed, that was a day to remember. Still, sometimes, I, and many others, wish it weren't so. So many young men died that day, who were, just a few hours ago, alive. Happy, living human beings. God bless all the soliders who fought that day.
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