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Sixth of June, 1944

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Post Sun Jun 06, 2004 2:50 am

Well, the D-Day landings were pretty much an incredible thing. Not to detract from the russians efforts (people don't often know that the Russians lost more men in the second world war than the english, american, canadian, australian AND french put together from what i have read), D-Day was a defining moment in the second world war.

Lets try not to bring politics into this, as everyone pays respects together. People ask "what it was like", because without knowing, its flippin tough to actually APPRECIATE what they went through/did on the landing days.

I also understood that it was close to 200,000 men, and that the americans landed 5 divisions and the english 4........however, the canadians ALSO took their own beach as well. People do seem to forget that a war was waged for years before any real help came, and that the help was in the form countries across the globe pretty much, but this is not a time/place for history lessons or finger pointing about who made the biggest sacrifice. Its about celebration and rememberance. Celebrating the fruits of the fighting mans efforts, and remembering those who gave it there all for people they don't know so that life could return to normal.

Now that is out of the way....

Step in everyones fav - the BBC - where you can watch little animations of the occupation areas etc, as it really does help to realise the positions and more during the war:

here

Edited by - Chips on 6/6/2004 3:51:34 AM

Post Sun Jun 06, 2004 3:07 am

lest we forget our commrades who fought and died for the freedom which we have today

Post Sun Jun 06, 2004 3:32 am

Don't forget the Rangers at Pointe du Hoc as well, they had without doubt the crappest assignment of the day.

Post Sun Jun 06, 2004 4:32 am

May I just say

There are no innocents in war, just viable targets.

America's finest hour my ass... America wanted nothing to do with it.

Post Sun Jun 06, 2004 4:50 am

That's a pretty small minded and disrespectful view in my opinion Heltak.
Granted the US wasn't intching to get into battle from the get go but they did eventually make it and made a massive contribution to the western effort. The war would have been prolonged for quite some time and more lives would have been lost without their support. While they didn't single handedly invade and crush Nazi Germany as some Americans would like to believe, they're contribution was most definately invaluable.

Post Sun Jun 06, 2004 4:59 am

Yes but before Pearl Harbour they wanted nothing to do with us their support was what something like 8 obsolete and screwed ships and the supplies we needed out of their total support only the resources would be any use until they joined AFTER they were attacked.

I wouldn't call 90% of Americans some I'd call it most.

Post Sun Jun 06, 2004 5:05 am

Patriotism was a lot higher in the WWII time frame than these days. The women back home stepped up to the plate and fill the shoes of men off at war and did the factory, weapon producing jobs, Rosy the Riveter and all. A small few would not want to be there, but the over whelming majority believed it was their duty, and as it was a World war, more was at stake. They did it so that more would be free.

Post Sun Jun 06, 2004 5:12 am

*Shoots Final* That was pointing out the obvious... Canaries in Britain anyone?

Post Sun Jun 06, 2004 5:43 am

Viator,

WAR IS HELL!!!
And between the Two, War is worse, sinners go to Hell so there are no innocent Bystanders in Hell, but War is full of them.

EDIT: Credits to those who can guess who made this Quote,

Edited by - Locutus on 6/6/2004 8:25:03 AM

Post Sun Jun 06, 2004 5:45 am

Locutus, there ARE no bystanders in war, your all equal targets.

Post Sun Jun 06, 2004 5:48 am

*salutes*


Wiz good post, too heavy on patriotism though

i don't know about wiz, but i think you can never be too patriotic.

Post Sun Jun 06, 2004 6:01 am

A country is a set of imagined borders defined by savages of old. You claim to own land with them and be loyal to it... how can you be loyal when you kill it?

Post Sun Jun 06, 2004 6:32 am

I have every respect for the veterans of D-Day, but I'm with Taw on the sliminess of the D-Day celebrations. I just sat down and watched some random actor glorify his own father a member of the Engineers Corps. His great father worked on the docks and didn't join the military until 1943. Not only that but they skirted the much less celebrated issue of behaviour of the unions in the docks and munitions factories during world war 2. They were still more concerned with maintaining their job perks and keeping their workers comfy, while young men of 18 or 19 were prepared to give their lives for peanuts.
I'm afraid many facets of World War 2 are destined to be forgotten, much of the fighting in Africa, bar the story of Rommel vs Montgomery is forgotten (I doubt anyone here knew about S.Africa fighting the Vichy French in Madagascar?). Many Europeans seem totally ignorant of the war in the Pacific, the same with China.

Oh and Heltak, give the Americans a break. I don't know if you really know what you're on about or you're just doing the irritatingly common "I'm British therefore I'm superior to the Americans and I must insult them at any given opportunity" type character.They crossed an ocean to help fight in a terrible war that they needn't have fought. They sacrificed thousands of lives, thousands of miles from home. Without them I doubt the UK would have held out much longer. The Americans brought with them unbelievable production power, they were churning out tanks, ships, aircraft etc at an unbelievable rate, without which, I'd go as far as to say that the rest of the Allies would have been doomed.

Post Sun Jun 06, 2004 6:34 am

I'm stating my views plus we've seen the arguments as to WHY Hitler couldn't invade and beachhead on Britain.

As for the Americans... after dealing with so many of them and havingsour tastes in my mouth I'll withhold judgement on individuals but the country does not have any reason for me not to insult or compliment it.

Post Sun Jun 06, 2004 6:47 am

Please keep this thread on the right side of the line. I want this to be respectfull and I belive that anyone in Normandy or any place else in the world is honest.

On the patriotic thing: I'm Dutch and not patriotic towards any nation.

My last words: "Remember those who have fallen, so you could live free"
Credits go to Locotus for this line.

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