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If there was a war...

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Post Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:32 am

Let's settle this whole 'Rheinland has only one Battleship' debate once and for all...

Quoted from the infocard:

The sole remaining ship in the once grand Rheinland Navy, the Battleship Westfalen, is tasked with preventing the spread of pirates into Rheinland space and dealing with attacks by Unioner terrorists. In the past the Westfalen also assisted in preventing breakouts from nearby Vierlande Prison.


Quoted from a news report:

Kusari Fleet Destroyed
In what has been described as the largest battle ever fought in the colonies, a massive Rheinland attack force completely destroyed the Kusari Fleet stationed in the Honshu system. Led by a group of over 40 Rheinland battleships , the Chancellor's onslaught on Kusari seems unstoppable. The Shogun has mobilized all reserves, and the Kusari Naval Forces are now desperately attempting to establish a defensive ring around New Tokyo.


That news quote doesn't even include all the known Battleships seen during the SP game such as:
Battleship Westfallen (Hamburg)
Battleship Hel (in orbit of New Berlin) + escorts
Battleship Freya (New Berlin>Frankfurt Jump) + escorts
Battleship Thor (Frankfurt>New Berlin Jump) + escorts
Battleship Tyr (near Mannheim Station, Frankfurt) + escorts
...plus the others who's names I can't remember (+ escorts!).

Now since there are no further battles mentioning the loss of any of the 40 Battleships from the news report (although I will acknowledge that at least some must have been destroyed during the battle between Kusari and Rheinland fleets in New Tokyo) the Rheinland Navy does have more Battleships than the Westfallen infocard would lead us to believe (anywhere from 5 to 45).

So the infocard is:
a) Wrong.
b) Deliberatly misleading us (military secrets and all that).
c) Referring to the sole remaining ship of the 'Grand Fleet' of the Imperial Rheinland Navy just after the 80 Year War.

We don't really own this place, just break a few arms if we have to - Bounty Hunter Mitch Murphy, Bonn Station.

Post Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:06 pm

Rhineland's military fleet number of batteships would not matter because Rhineland in an act of vengence would invade the sigma systems to crush the gmg but while they attacked the gmg to the north the attack would fail becase of corsair and outcast ambushes. Kusari would use their manuverable and decently armoured ships to invade liberty until being held back at the northern part of the colorado system . Bretonia would invade the the omega systems for resources and also attack liberty through cortez and magellan before being beaten out the cortez system by the navy Bretonia would be unable to raid liberty through the jump gate because liberty would place a fleet right next to it Kusari would continue to send ships through shikoku untill the bounty hunters on deshima ambush the kusari ships in exchange for more pay and a more powerful position in the sirius Liberty would take advantage of the naval forces weakness and would advance to deshima but be stoped by the battleship and fight to a standstill .

Post Fri Jan 30, 2004 9:55 am

If there was an all out war, than the Order would probably have something to say about it

I am the king, the supreme, keeper of the peace, gaurdian of the gates of heaven, I am the Leviathin

Post Fri Jan 30, 2004 2:15 pm

@kazuto

So according to your theories, Liberty always wins

Gimme that, you petty excuse of an officer!
Prepare for LUDICROUS SPEED!!!
Ludicrous speed...GO!!!

Edited by - cowami on 1/30/2004 2:24:00 PM

Post Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:29 pm

first off if there was a war the criminal fractions would hide for a little bit
Liberty gets crushed via the 3 other houses (except for zone 21-alaska)
Rhineland would get massacured due to lack of ships
Brentonia would rape Kruisra (whatevers)
Now the criminals come back out rape whatever is left of rhineland/liberty/krwhatevers and then slowly but surly close in on eachother and brentonia.
Only 3 victors here
1 Junkers (Clean up)
2 Order (Not involed)
3 Nomads (This is what they wanted)
4 Me (for Posting the Truth the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth)

When the Going's get Tough, The Tough get a bigger Battleboat.
"Shotglass moments before the Tiger's claw blew up"

Post Sat Jan 31, 2004 9:08 pm

More Mad Man Nimann Batleships:
Battleship Loki
Battleship Wutan

Post Sun Feb 01, 2004 6:52 am

Oh and if we are going by what happened in Single Player...the Kusari don't have much of a Fleet left either, the Rheinlanders crushed them in Honshu and New Tokyo.

In fact, going by the SP Game, the only House in Sirius that didn't loose any ships was Bretonia, which puts them in the strongest position of all the Houses.

/me starts humming Rule Britannia

We don't really own this place, just break a few arms if we have to - Bounty Hunter Mitch Murphy, Bonn Station.

Post Sun Feb 01, 2004 2:44 pm

Obviosuly Rheinland would win because:

Have class 10 guns on their wrecks in Sigma 13

In SP, their Millitary build up is immense, nothing would survive that.

The Bounty Hunters are basically in their pocket, thus more class 10 wrecks, Hammerhead and a hell of a lot more pilots.

Could sign a deal with the Bundshluh (spelling?) to protect Rheinland, thus Sunslayer Torps.

Ships are best in all the houses+possible Bundshluh deal would bring in Boarder World ships (Dagger, Stiletto, Sabre, Dromedary)

Possible Unioner deal to protect Rhienland=Civillian ships (Hawk, Falcon, Eagle)

Best weapons

AND!

any hopes of Corsair, Outcast alliance are gone,
1. they hate each other
2. they have no ship yards to build ships


hehehe. Rhineland rocks

Post Sun Feb 01, 2004 3:32 pm

Rheinland because they slaughtered the Kusari fleet in the storyline and when you rescue Heer von claussen from rheinland there are about 8 crusiers and 12 gunboats at each jump gate so they will win

Post Sun Feb 01, 2004 3:35 pm

Corsairs have a shipyard you moron! Tripoli shipyard in Omicron Gamma isn't that a shipyard? Newbs! what do they know. probably got his ass kicked in the omicron system by about 10 titans and a docking ring

Post Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:30 am

heh, for YOUR information, The Corsairs AND Outcasts love me

PLUS, look at Tripoli Shipyard and it says "A Corsair Shipyard with MINIMAL capabilities". Also, the Outcasts build their ships by hand.

Post Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:36 pm

Ya. But they can still capture ships. >

Post Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:28 pm

well if it were realist :Evil: Liberty would dominate the galaxy... with out even trying....

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Hey there Conan... or as they say in Africa... Hey there Conan!

Post Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:14 pm

i think the Freelancers would win, they can have things from all systems
Ryan

Edited by - ryan100 on 2/4/2004 2:33:29 AM

Post Wed Feb 04, 2004 2:24 am

P.S. THE CORSAIRS HAVE A PLANET, DON'T YOU THINK THEY COULD MAKE A THOUSAND SHIPS AND SHIPYARDS ON THE PLANET?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Ryan

Edited by - Ryan100 on 2/4/2004 2:25:12 AM

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