Tohoku has at LEAST two entrances. One is in Chugoku, the other is either in Honshu or Hokkaido, not sure which. Both entrances are jump holes, and are unguarded by the Kusari governement(the one you use is even controlled by the Blood Dragons).

Rhineland, with its somewhat dilapidated military, would be the first to go- they simply would not have the ships or the personnel to put into a conflict on all fronts.

Even more importantly, Liberty's pirates are not as focused on the overthrow of the government as those of other houses...the Xenos, in particular(weak as they seem to you), would be eager to help blow the snot out of the other houses. The Rogues would probably do the same, since they are mainly mad at the corporations and police, not the actual government itself.

As for the Hackers, being pure pirates, they would wait for someone to take the upper hand before acting, then sell themselves as privateers. I could see them hiring out to another house for the profits, then returning to their usual piracy once the dust settled.

*edit...as I was saying before I was interrupted by the wierd bell schedule at my school, the fastest way for a rebellious group to gain victory over their government is to ally with someone who is at war with that government. Thus, groups like the GC, Blood Dragons, Bundschuh, and Mollies would seek out the patronage of the other houses in return for help in the war.

Since Liberty has no real hardcore REBEL rebels, and because their industrial output is the largest in Sirius, they would be the prime choice of such groups.

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"Although I do not consider myself a member of the Bounty Hunters' Guild, I find that their goals and mine often follow the same path. I will aid them when I can...if they give me a percentage of the salvage from whatever they frag along the way. Hell, they were even so kind as to sell me a ship after one of my jobs with them, and I've been flying her ever since. But god help them if someone puts a bounty on THEIR heads, for I don't care who I hunt for, as long as their live capture(or untimely death) can get me enough credits to buy a decent sized mug of my favorite drink."- A Freelance Bounty Hunter.

Edited by - NukeIt on 08-10-2003 15:39:36

Moved to the Spoiler Forum.

Fair enough I think.

Sad thing is, we won't know what's realy gonna happen because we don't have a motive.

Nothing much will happen coz everyone's afraid to budge with a criminal organisation on their tail. I guess. Liberty gonna fall bad. badly they gonna be wiped out due to its geographical location - centre of sirius. If the Corsairs and the Oucasts were to sign an alliance and try to take over sirius. it would be real easy for em to whack everything in sirius with their extremely destructive firepower.

On another note. I guess the outcasts wouldn't be much a problem. Most of em would be high on cardamine. Smoking em as they battle, this is a real problem esp in the middle of a battle. Rough handling of Sabre meant certain death even if battling Kusari dragons or Liberty battleships.

My another guess would be if Rhineland, Hispania (outcasts and corsairs), liberty, britonia and kusari were to fight, nothing will change much coz of the internal disputes within the system. Like Kusari has to fend of GCs and Dragons while waging war. Bretonia with the Gaians, Xenos and Mollies. Rhineland with the hessians and Unioners and the LWBs. Liberty with the hackers and Rouges. Hispania is at war with itself..... Corsairs are at war with themselves with cannabilism on the rise.

- Corsair Fixxxer -

i think the 1 who has has enough patience and wait will be the winner, co'z the other will destoy themself

blooddragons have learn to be patience, they wiating to take over kusari al over 400 years... corsair, hessian and i think also outcast (and his allies) will attack also as soon as possible, rheinland is already weak, weak on fundings, weak on pilots, weak on material isue... they're gone first... after that i think it would be bretonia or liberty... kusari will loose a few systems, before the last of the houses is gone, but kusari is crippled down by the fight...

corsair, hessian and outcast alliance have the most systems, the patience companies will attack now, with their full forces, to destroy the remainings...

kusari will be easy prey for the blooddragons...

corsair, hessians and outcast allience stay fighting eatchother... outcast alliance have the most systems, hessian and corsair about the same... but hessian is the weakest and outcast the strongest... hessian is gone first...

blooddragon toke also a few systems off hessians... the fight between corsair and outcast alliance will stay... both about same army... corsair will loose a few systems, re-organise themself and the outcast will loose a few... they destroy theirself, while blooddragons will wait till time is right again to fight off corsair and the outcast... corsair will be destroyed and outcast will banned back to malta and the plenet will be blownup...

i say it again
i think the 1 who has has enough patience and wait will be the winner, co'z the other will destoy themself

If u c some1 in a dagger make fireballs from hunters it can be me

Lets have a look then:

LIBERTY:
PROS: Strong military with good tech, fortress system (Alaska- if they stuck biodomes in there it could last forever), no anti-government criminals, Ageira and DSE control gates/lanes
CONS: Relies on trade, surrounded by others

BRETONIA:
PROS: Lots of resources, good solid ships, natural barrier- The Barrier (if they shut down their gates and blocked the jumpholes))
CONS: Potential attack from Outcasts AND Corsairs,

KUSARI:
PROS: H-fuel supply, agile ships
CONS: H-fuel provided by independent company, few resources, severe internal problems

RHEINLAND:
PROS: Powerful ships, access to H-fuel (sigma) and resources (omega)
CONS: Absurdly bad economy, small military, bad internal troubles, GMG

POSSIBLE CORSAIR/OUTCAST ALLIANCE:
PROS: Good mix of ships, have access to alien technology, have cardamine controlling alot of people
CONS: Few shipbuilding facilities, rely on piracy, relatively small numbers

From this I would say that Rheinland would go first, from an attack by Kusari/GMG and Corsairs at roughly the same time. Kusari would go next as the Outcasts destroy the GMG and Blood Dragons cause revolution. Meanwhile Bretonia destroys its jumpgates to the Tau and Omegas leaving it figthing Liberty. Without traded resources Liberty falls apart and retreats to Alaska, shutting the jumpgate behind them. This leaves the Corsair\Outcasts attacking Bretonia via jumpholes in a stalemate. It would probably stay that way until Bretonia submits to cardamine.

A alternative is that Ageira remotely shuts down all gates/lanes outside Liberty leaving them safe and the Corsairs\Outcasts and revolutionary groups eating away at the others.

"I'm not a Corsair, I just spend my time taking work from them"
Child of the Hispania- http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=1404122

It would be great to have a mock war of the worlds. Choose one MP server, split anyone interested into Bretonia, Kusari, Rheinland and Liberty. Everyone would have a week to trade up and get ready, working only in their systems and only buying things available in their systems, no border world, edge world weapons or ships Just what's available in your system. Then for one day only last system standing and settle it for good - sort of. Of course if Bretonia ended up with 10 pilots like me they'd be toast - I fight like my signature - throw a bunch of mud and hope to god some sticks.

If you throw enough mud ..some's gonna stick.

Just to add something, could pick a storage tank in the capital areas and if another faction blows that tank, your flag has fallen and with it your system. Hard to organize and administer to ensure no cheating, but with a bunch of fairly reputable TLR people it would be worth doing?

If you throw enough mud ..some's gonna stick.

Of course, in war, nobody wins.....

Oh, sorry. Me,I reckon Outcasts would win. Not that I'm a favoritist at all

*My Caradmine! MINE!*

I'd be willing to participate on the Liberty side...a little RP-ing never hurt anyone.

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"Although I do not consider myself a member of the Bounty Hunters' Guild, I find that their goals and mine often follow the same path. I will aid them when I can...if they give me a percentage of the salvage from whatever they frag along the way. Hell, they were even so kind as to sell me a ship after one of my jobs with them, and I've been flying her ever since. But god help them if someone puts a bounty on THEIR heads, for I don't care who I hunt for, as long as their live capture(or untimely death) can get me enough credits to buy a decent sized mug of my favorite drink."- A Freelance Bounty Hunter.

The New Universe mod has this idea. Its adding a whole load of ships for the factions and putting Liberty\Bretonia against Rheinland\Kusari.

"I'm not a Corsair, I just spend my time taking work from them"
Child of the Hispania- http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=1404122

Only problem is you would need a mod to make the ships on an equal footing. Wouldn't take too many hits for a valk or banshee to kill a patroit.

~ DaVoid, Expert Star Diver

During the fact that Bretonia are a large House, and they got speed and number, and their weapons are pretty good, they will have a big advantage.

The Liberty are in the center of Sirius, and are allied to a lot of people. Their ships cant mount anything particular, though.

The Rheinlanders will be mashed betwen Corsairs and Liberty, but they still have strong weapons, and they have showed us (during SP) that they not are standing still in miltary advancement.

The Kusari are, as known, strong. Their ships can mount torps, and are strong. They will be stuck betwen Blood Dragon's and Outcast.

The Omegas, will be fighting ground for Rheinland and Bretonia. But the Red Hessian's live there. Zoners will controll some key routes, because they have Freeport's.

Outcast, whom live in Omicron Alpha, will have to fight down both Nomads in their homeworld, and Corsairs, that probably will come throught Omicron Theta.

In the end, NY will be populated by Rheinlanders, a lot of the Tau will be under Bretonia/Outcast controll, Omegas ruled by Hessians.

But... what with the people in Primus/Gammu?

I think the Outcast will win.

I'm gonna say that in a war, Rheinland would be the first to fall. Why? Read the info for Battleship Westfalen in Hamburg. It states that the Westfalen is the only battleship remaining in the Rheinland fleet after the decimation of the entire fleet in the 80 Years War with the GMG.