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Post Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:29 pm

haha crap without rap. ive got better. the real meaning of rap
r.a.p.
retards attempting poetry

Post Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:13 pm

@archie: shut up man. you're making me spill my Big M.


haha crap without rap. ive got better. the real meaning of rap
r.a.p.
retards attempting poetry


That is abosolute crap. I now cite example 1:


Come on, although ya try to discredit
Ya still never edit
The needle, I'll thread it
Radically poetic
Standin' with the fury that they had in '66
And like E-Double I'm mad
Still knee-deep in the system's ****
Hoover, he was a body remover
I'll give ya a dose
But it'll never come close
To the rage built up inside of me
Fist in the air, in the land of hypocrisy

Movements come and movements go
Leaders speak, movements cease
When their heads are flown
'Cause all these punks
Got bullets in their heads
Departments of police, the judges, the feds
Networks at work, keepin' people calm
You know they went after King
When he spoke out on Vietnam
He turned the power to the have-nots
And then came the shot



From a rap style song.

Example 2:


Well it's 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on
I move the crowd to the break of break of dawn
Can't rock the house without the party people
Cause when we're gettin down we are all equal
There's no better or worse between you and me
But I rock the mic so viciously
Like pins and needles and words that sting
At the blink of an eye I will do my thing
It's Like a needle in the cartridge when the record spins
Like diggin down deep in the record bins
Everybody gettin down make no mistake
Nothing sounds quite like an 8 0 8



Another rap song.

Here is the challenge to all you metal ****s who keep raggin' on rap. Can rock the mic to the break of dawn? Do you have the lyrical gymnastics to keep the audience spinnin? If it's so easy, write me some rap lyrics about posting on TLR.

then we'll see who a retard.

-:-
You wanna revolution?

Edited by - Love Shark on 3/23/2005 11:14:11 PM

Post Thu Mar 24, 2005 3:25 am

someone's a little sensitive...

I'd like to ask exactly what is poetic about that? To me, it sounds more like...a string of words randomly thrown together. As opposed to:

Come, you spirits that tend on mortal thoughts, unsex me here
And fill me, from the crown to the toe, top full of
direst cruelty! Make thick my blood
Stop up th' access and passage to remorse;
That no compunctious visitings of Nature
Shake my fell purpose, nor keep peace between
the effect and it! Come to my woman's breasts,
And take my milk for gall, you murdering ministers
Wherever in your sightless substances
You wait on Nature's mischief!


__

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.


--

...And when the stars threw down their spears
and watered heaven with their tears,
Did he smile, his work to see? Did he who made the lamb make thee?...


--

How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man
How many seas must a white dove sail
Before she sleeps in the sand
How many times must the cannonballs fly
Before they are forever banned
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind
The answer is blowing in the wind


--

When blood will flow
When flesh and steel are one
Drying in the colours of an evening sun
Tomorrow's rain will wash the stains away
But something in our minds will always stay.


--

O CAPTAIN! my Captain! our fearful trip is done;
The ship has weather’d every rack, the prize we sought is won;
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring:
But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.


--

Whose woods these are I think I know
His house is in the village, though
He will not see me stopping here
To watch his woods fill up with snow

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep
And miles to go before I sleep
And miles to go before I sleep


Edited by - Wilde on 3/24/2005 3:27:32 AM

Post Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:20 am

I'm sad to say i dont have any Rap lyrics to post that i loved, my brother ran off with the CD some years ago so i havent been able to hear it but it was good music. But a rap band (the name i definetly going to screw up on and look like a fool) Run DMC is great, i cant think of much of there bad stuff. And when they p,layed walk this way with arrowsmith that was awesome.

What i mean to say is i have heard more good metal then good rap. And trust me if someone tells me a song is good i damn well listen to it so i am not closed minded at all. Heck i even liked borderline country once and thats pretty far for a metal loving 'punk' as so many people have lovingly called me. ( Examples "Blood on the risers, All american chorus. Der fueher's face-Spike jones and his city slickers... well thats not so country but i dont know what to call ti but F'ing funny)

I mean there have been mainstream and slipping to mainstream bands, Take incubus if there not mainstream there getting there, that i do enjoy.

One thing for me that does truly stand out is dark metal, you can get alot of bad stuff from it but some bands there lyrics truly are Poetic peices of wonder. Example:

Man and his faithful ethics
Intoxicated by the fruits of the earth
Diabolical fanatikism, so cold and grim
The perfect perversion, bestiality incarnate
As instruments of torture
And leaving no room for sympathy
We bring forth the monstrous birth
To the worlds light
As all great art is made from suffering
So are we
Good in nature, but evil by our own free will
Incestuously created by the will to kill
Time is here to walk the final abyss march
Bound to the force of the last holocaust
Pour free the gifts of grace
And slaughter the entire human race
Not permitted to redemption
When pain rises high in purgatory
A reality so convincingly justified
Feeding from Death Cult's gown
We bring forth monstrous birth
To the worlds light

Now im not a poet or anything but i think that those are some wonderful lyrics that do stand above alot.

Edit: Yech wilde, shakespear you'll all call me uncultured and a young know nothing for this but i cant stand shakespear. the only time he got me to laughw as when he was trying to be sad.i hate his work....

Edited by - DSQrn on 3/24/2005 5:22:02 AM

Post Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:29 am

Are we playing the "Post Lyrics Game" then? I'm SO in!

"Man I Used to Be" K-Os

Things that I said I wouldn't do, I did 'em
Secrets below the service of truth I hid 'em
This mankind is past, but can he erase
The tears of a million years is human race
Of animals, that taught to walk upright
Then slave all day and fall in a trance at night
Flowing the planet, trying to find missing links
Like the men we used to be and always suppose to think
Mysteries, maybe not
It's getting hot, we better configure the plot, but
I hold a pen with the grip so tight
That'a squeeze the ink out'ta the page, and write a song for the people
Came up from the underground, now I write above on a hovercraft sound
This microphone, like an an amphetamine
Keeping me clean, speaking in dreams
So nature can intervene, just for a scene


"The Human's Race" Sweatshop Union

Nowadays people don't talk freely
We walk these streets, go home
And not be seen, we watch TV alone
Then phone in our orders for Chinese delivery
Closed in our quarters, so high we forget
That we ever knew any better than this
And now we swim in the sewage
Together in bliss and it’s a sad state of affairs
They're making us scared to even set foot outside our own houses
And now it’s like every place I look I see
Propaganda from the papers, to the books I read
And they're preparing us for a staged terrorist war
So they can centralize the power and have us scared to the core
My parents ignored, I guess it’s just too deeply imbedded in their heads
That the truth is on TV, So breathe deep and be free of all this
Civilized society or whatever you call it

Sometimes I get lost in my trips through escapism
Vision of a world free from greed, war, racism
And isn't it a gift how I'm free inside
They can steal a child’s mind but never rob him of his light
And some nights we all fall asleep feeling like hypocrites
Say you changed the world but only talked a bit of ****
We all quit on ourselves from one point or another
Suffer bouts with self doubt as we try to recover
But it all starts from thought and talk which leads to action
How far can we be pushed, till we respond with reaction?
For now I turn my back and all I wanna leave behind
This peace of mind is an illusion of the freedom I can't find


Granted, it's not Shakespeare, Longfellow or Whitman but it is poetry.

What about "Beat" poetry? You know, Ginsberg and his lot? Where do they figure in all this?

Post Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:38 pm

in flames rules all

Post Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:17 pm

You idiots proved my point.

It's not a contest to post lyrics of other people
Its a freaking contest to see if you can do better than the professionals. i want to see your lyrics, not others.

and micahd, stop posting that. i got it the first time.

-:-
You wanna revolution?

Post Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:22 pm

Uhm i used lyrics to convey a different point....

Post Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:05 pm

in flames still rules

Post Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:06 pm

micahd, enough with the same line over and over.

Edited by - Finalday on 3/25/2005 6:06:54 PM

Post Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:36 pm

...I used lyrics and poems to convey my point that rap is not poetry. Compare it to Blake and Shakespeare, or even to Bob Dylan. Or Robert Frost. Or even Sting.

Shark, it would be useless to ask us to compose a rap song about TLR, simply because rap "poetry" is a simple string of words thrown together and blared at an audience. Whether or not you like that is your own opinion--but you can't deny it pales in comparison to other poetry...such as Dylan's, which won a Nobel prize. (By the way, don't get me wrong here, I loathe Bob Dylan as a musician. But he's a good poet).

Edited by - Wilde on 3/25/2005 7:43:13 PM

Post Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:44 pm

Finalday is right with this. There's a simple answer to this question. The music you enjyo the most is the best music for you. Many love hip-hop and rap, many love classic rock and roll, many live newer rock and roll, there's jazz, big band, R&B, or whatever music turns you on. I have no desire to convince anyone that the music I love to hear is right for anyone else. This is my music, I love it, and it's not important if anyone else likes what I listen to or not. It's mine to enjoy, and I have no judgment toward anyone who likes music I don't like. It's just yabout the enjoment you get from the music you listen to.

As for printing out lyrics, we all can do that. There's so much good music and depth to their songs that there's no reason to "top" one another. Just enjoy what you like, and keep an open mind on what others like. Music isn't something to be argued about, and the musicians you all seak of I'm sure agree with this.

For now, I'll leave this thread open, but you guys have left that a bit tough. Stop flaming others for their tastes in music, and open your mind to other music that you may not seem to enjoy, but maybe, just maybe, with an open mind, you'll hear the quality of what othes enjoy.

I'll be watching this thread, and will close it and delete it if the flaming doesn't stop.

Post Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:59 pm

Wilde, all im saying is that it is a form of poetry, while the majority of gangsta is crap, there are some artists that have incredible ability to 'string' as you say words together and make it flow like is was meant to be. (snoop dogg is a good example, a nice stoned drawl that flows, like water! hehehehe... *sigh* in joke, sorry.) i know it is not like the classic poetry that you read in your schoolbooks, but is is a form of modern poetry, whether you like it or not, it's there, it takes skill, (which is why i was asking people to try to write a rap about TLR, to see if anyone could beat Evil Eddie or the Beastie Boys)
So really, it is there, it is a valid form of poetry, just not in the classical sense. (and you can't spell classical without ass!)

EDIT: bring back another example from before.
I'll give you a dose
But it will never come close
To the rage built up inside of me
Fist in the air, in the land of hypocrisy


That is poetry to me.

-:-
You wanna revolution?

Edited by - Love Shark on 3/25/2005 10:35:23 PM

Post Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:14 pm

everyone listen to in flames and be happy!

Post Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:21 am

Dude...Really stop posting virutaly the same thing over. A mod told you to stop, that means stop


@LS I would agree that is peotry no doubt. And i'm glad its not poetry in our school books becuase here is the big diff ebtween me and wilde, i hate the stuff. I cant stand shakespear at all, dont get me wrong i do like some classical poetry but alot i dont.



Edited by - DSQrn on 3/26/2005 11:53:38 AM

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