We get these all the time: "Like to bother the old hermit by knocking on his door and bolting when he comes out with a rifle of some kind"
You people have em too or what?
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Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:27 am
another one: Renegades. Kids who reject pop culture and most accepted youth marketed products. Often seen wearing jeans with chains, but refuse to wear any brand label clothing, opiting for older clothing and unique items. Renegades may be classified as Goths, Nu-Metals, and punks. Mortal enemies of Townies and Pop Princesses. but i guess thats just a melbourne thing.
Edited by - Viator on 8/17/2004 2:47:35 AM
Edited by - Viator on 8/17/2004 2:47:35 AM
Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:15 am
Well, I did not pay too much attention to that before, but now I see it's a universal thing. We have similar stuff here too (though most goths are female, since males usually have a fear to be confused with homosexuals). However, there are additional trends (plus it's not only kids):
Metal headz: long hair, black jeans, T-shirts, leather jackets (I huess it's universal); music style - naturally, black, death & industrial; many of them play in different bands.
Skinheads: army shoes, black jeans or camouflage pants, leather jackets with a national flag swen on it; highly patriotic, strong dislikes for foreigners and national minorities, hatred towards the forsa (see below). Judging from news reports, much more peaceful compared to foreign skinheads.
And, as we call them, the forsa: listen to (c)rap, Russian pop, cheap local pop, etc.; training suits, white sneakers, shaved heads, very aggressive. Usually go around with pop-style looking chicks.
Most of my co-drinkers are from the former two groups (I think the exclusion of the last one is understandable
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Life is sexually transmitted
Metal headz: long hair, black jeans, T-shirts, leather jackets (I huess it's universal); music style - naturally, black, death & industrial; many of them play in different bands.
Skinheads: army shoes, black jeans or camouflage pants, leather jackets with a national flag swen on it; highly patriotic, strong dislikes for foreigners and national minorities, hatred towards the forsa (see below). Judging from news reports, much more peaceful compared to foreign skinheads.
And, as we call them, the forsa: listen to (c)rap, Russian pop, cheap local pop, etc.; training suits, white sneakers, shaved heads, very aggressive. Usually go around with pop-style looking chicks.
Most of my co-drinkers are from the former two groups (I think the exclusion of the last one is understandable
)
Life is sexually transmitted
Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:05 am
@grom: what about actual clubbers then? the harmless, wouldnt hurt a fly, sort who live for the weekend, drop pills and dance till the sun comes up regardless of where they are?
as for renegades, i wouldnt say its a melbourne thing, but each area has its own spin on the old style. Sure the skaters would vary in certain departments but they'd be universally the same. Im curious why they split up so many "alternate" groups like goths and nu-metalers etc. theyre essentially the same people but with different outfits and lets face it, most of them are just townies in disguise because they want to "belong". Theyre not fooling me for a second.
@eskie: sod off, you fouled up, dont try to make a poo excuse
as for renegades, i wouldnt say its a melbourne thing, but each area has its own spin on the old style. Sure the skaters would vary in certain departments but they'd be universally the same. Im curious why they split up so many "alternate" groups like goths and nu-metalers etc. theyre essentially the same people but with different outfits and lets face it, most of them are just townies in disguise because they want to "belong". Theyre not fooling me for a second.
@eskie: sod off, you fouled up, dont try to make a poo excuse
Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:51 am
@archie - as far as this report is concerned, its supposed to cover early teenagers....whereas I think the "clubbers" that you talk about would be more prominent in the late teen/early 20s demographic. In adult society I think it would be fair to say that we have chavs, townies and clubbers, alongside another 10 or so prominent groups that haven't been put on this report.
It makes me laugh that theres such an uproar about this report when the government has been stereotyping people for as long as I can remember. Don't forget in adult society we've also seen the...
"yuppy" - Young Urban Professional or Young Upwardly Mobile Professional
"guppy" - Green Upwardly-mobile/Urban Professional
"dinky" - Double/Dual Income, No Kids (Yet)
"puppy" - Poxy/Poncey Upwardly-mobile Professional
"silky" - Single Income, Loads of Kids
"buppy" - Black Upwardly-mobile/Urban Professional
"wasp" - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
"woopy" - Well-Off Older Person
"ned" - Non Educated Delinquent
and my personal favourite...the...
"lombard" - Lots Of Money But A Real Dick
And now we have an uproar because the government has tried to stereotype kids...but the funny thing is, the music industry has been doing it for years and making a LOT of money on the back of it - they've just never been daft enough to tell the truth.
It makes me laugh that theres such an uproar about this report when the government has been stereotyping people for as long as I can remember. Don't forget in adult society we've also seen the...
"yuppy" - Young Urban Professional or Young Upwardly Mobile Professional
"guppy" - Green Upwardly-mobile/Urban Professional
"dinky" - Double/Dual Income, No Kids (Yet)
"puppy" - Poxy/Poncey Upwardly-mobile Professional
"silky" - Single Income, Loads of Kids
"buppy" - Black Upwardly-mobile/Urban Professional
"wasp" - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
"woopy" - Well-Off Older Person
"ned" - Non Educated Delinquent
and my personal favourite...the...
"lombard" - Lots Of Money But A Real Dick
And now we have an uproar because the government has tried to stereotype kids...but the funny thing is, the music industry has been doing it for years and making a LOT of money on the back of it - they've just never been daft enough to tell the truth.
Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:26 am
But would the kids themselves actually label themselves as such? Well, okay many may do so because they are impressionable to a degree. But, among goths, say, how many think of themselves as goths as opposed to actually are or are accepted as such by other goths? Blah blah blah?
As for adult groupings, except for maybe a few distinctions in either politics or faith, most of those categories boil down to money. Monied or not, how monied or not, and who makes it.
..... At what age do these tribal affiliations no longer have meaning ... even if as an adult, that person still looks like, say a Soulstrel (sp?). Reason why I ask is because really short skirts never cease to make my head spin.
Speaking of tribes and looks.....
From the NY Times, Aug 17 2004
Last year, Benjamin Spoer, a college sophomore in Berkeley, Calif., was just another grungy teenager, with his long hair, dirty jeans and favorite black T-shirt with a gory red bird on the front. Now he is transformed. He has cut his hair, and in a couple of weeks, he plans to go shopping for some blue button-down shirts.
He threw the bird T-shirt away.
"The guys at school used to come to class in T-shirts with four-letter words on them,'' he said. "Now they wear clothes from Gap and American Eagle. Since grunge is starting to fade away, they're going with what's out there.''
Maybe young people are getting more sophisticated, or maybe they are just getting bored. But from kindergarten to college, America's students are cleaning up their acts. And while they do not generally want their fall fashions to be labeled "preppy" - they insist they are putting their own twist on the look - they say styles are definitely getting simpler.
Goth is also out. The numbers have plummeted at Hot Topic, a clothing chain that was the darling of the spooky, blood-and-darkness Goth crowd. American Eagle Outfitters, meanwhile, whose figures fell as Hot Topic's rose, is suddenly soaring, with its stripped-down, cleaned-up khakis flying out the door; July sales were 22 percent higher than they were last year. And Polo Ralph Lauren, whose expensive children's clothes are the epitome of prep, just reported that profits more than doubled from a year ago.
Sewell Robinson, 15, from Stonington, Conn., said that many, if not most, of her classmates have kissed grunge goodbye. "That punk look is going away, all those bracelets up the arm. Black and pink is out, and those shirts that say, 'Funky Monkey,' " she said. "Now it's clean-cut, like looking 'nice' for the day."
Merchants call the new style "classic" or "retro" - just not "contemporary," which now translates as too baggy or too tight, too low-slung and too low-cut.
Students are "taking themselves a little more seriously; they're thinking a little more of the image they're projecting," said John D. Morris, a retail analyst who holds focus groups with teenagers in malls around the country. "It's a backlash to what was sexy, what was distressed or dirty or grungy. Now they say that look is too affected."
In case that sounds too Pollyanna-ish to believe, another analyst is hearing the same thing from students, but with a subtext that suggests their motives are more refined - and more manipulative.
"This year's kids seem much more sophisticated, savvy,'' said Marshal Cohen, chief researcher with the NPD Group in Port Washington, N.Y., "and they are telling their parents they'll buy this preppy stuff because it will last three or four years - and then arguing that with the extra money the parents will save, they can buy them high-speed Internet for $40 a month. Or maybe a digital camera."
Mr. Morris agrees that there is more wheeling and dealing going on. "It's all about responsibility this season,'' he said. "They'll argue that a cellphone is justified for security reasons. And they will say they need to have access to the Internet; that it is required for schoolwork."
With that kind of maturity, who wants cleavage?
Michael Wood, the vice president of Teenage Research Unlimited in Northbrook, Ill., said the young people he surveys say they are simply sick of what is in their closets. "They're notoriously fickle," Mr. Wood said, "and they've moved on to something new. The last several years, necklines and waists were going lower and lower and showing more and more skin, and they realized you can't go any lower or show any more. The pendulum swung."
Although the preppy look may seem old hat to many parents, Mr. Wood, who said he surveyed teenagers daily, said that it is fresh to young people, who may think they "discovered" the style in thrift shops. Like other pollsters and merchants, Mr. Wood said that few teenagers would do preppy head-to-toe. "They'll wear the polo shirts with the collars turned up, with the surf or skate, or both, in a smorgasbord of styles."
Indeed, turned-up collars seem to be in vogue again - even turned-up jacket collars.
On Thursday, Nathan Watters, 19, from St. Louis, stood on a SoHo street corner and modeled his latest purchase: a charcoal gray corduroy blazer he had just bought at French Connection for $168. "I just pop the collar - like this,'' he said, posing for a photographer. Jeans are still big, he added, as his three friends nodded. "Cut is still O.K., but neat,'' he said.
His friend Jessica Mantel, also 19, added, "You're paying a fortune for clothing, so it might as well look good, instead of torn.''
These 13 year olds allegedly dressed in the new preppy look outside of the American Eagle Outfitters store.
Edited by - Indy11 on 8/17/2004 10:48:39 AM
As for adult groupings, except for maybe a few distinctions in either politics or faith, most of those categories boil down to money. Monied or not, how monied or not, and who makes it.
..... At what age do these tribal affiliations no longer have meaning ... even if as an adult, that person still looks like, say a Soulstrel (sp?). Reason why I ask is because really short skirts never cease to make my head spin.
Speaking of tribes and looks.....
From the NY Times, Aug 17 2004
Last year, Benjamin Spoer, a college sophomore in Berkeley, Calif., was just another grungy teenager, with his long hair, dirty jeans and favorite black T-shirt with a gory red bird on the front. Now he is transformed. He has cut his hair, and in a couple of weeks, he plans to go shopping for some blue button-down shirts.
He threw the bird T-shirt away.
"The guys at school used to come to class in T-shirts with four-letter words on them,'' he said. "Now they wear clothes from Gap and American Eagle. Since grunge is starting to fade away, they're going with what's out there.''
Maybe young people are getting more sophisticated, or maybe they are just getting bored. But from kindergarten to college, America's students are cleaning up their acts. And while they do not generally want their fall fashions to be labeled "preppy" - they insist they are putting their own twist on the look - they say styles are definitely getting simpler.
Goth is also out. The numbers have plummeted at Hot Topic, a clothing chain that was the darling of the spooky, blood-and-darkness Goth crowd. American Eagle Outfitters, meanwhile, whose figures fell as Hot Topic's rose, is suddenly soaring, with its stripped-down, cleaned-up khakis flying out the door; July sales were 22 percent higher than they were last year. And Polo Ralph Lauren, whose expensive children's clothes are the epitome of prep, just reported that profits more than doubled from a year ago.
Sewell Robinson, 15, from Stonington, Conn., said that many, if not most, of her classmates have kissed grunge goodbye. "That punk look is going away, all those bracelets up the arm. Black and pink is out, and those shirts that say, 'Funky Monkey,' " she said. "Now it's clean-cut, like looking 'nice' for the day."
Merchants call the new style "classic" or "retro" - just not "contemporary," which now translates as too baggy or too tight, too low-slung and too low-cut.
Students are "taking themselves a little more seriously; they're thinking a little more of the image they're projecting," said John D. Morris, a retail analyst who holds focus groups with teenagers in malls around the country. "It's a backlash to what was sexy, what was distressed or dirty or grungy. Now they say that look is too affected."
In case that sounds too Pollyanna-ish to believe, another analyst is hearing the same thing from students, but with a subtext that suggests their motives are more refined - and more manipulative.
"This year's kids seem much more sophisticated, savvy,'' said Marshal Cohen, chief researcher with the NPD Group in Port Washington, N.Y., "and they are telling their parents they'll buy this preppy stuff because it will last three or four years - and then arguing that with the extra money the parents will save, they can buy them high-speed Internet for $40 a month. Or maybe a digital camera."
Mr. Morris agrees that there is more wheeling and dealing going on. "It's all about responsibility this season,'' he said. "They'll argue that a cellphone is justified for security reasons. And they will say they need to have access to the Internet; that it is required for schoolwork."
With that kind of maturity, who wants cleavage?
Michael Wood, the vice president of Teenage Research Unlimited in Northbrook, Ill., said the young people he surveys say they are simply sick of what is in their closets. "They're notoriously fickle," Mr. Wood said, "and they've moved on to something new. The last several years, necklines and waists were going lower and lower and showing more and more skin, and they realized you can't go any lower or show any more. The pendulum swung."
Although the preppy look may seem old hat to many parents, Mr. Wood, who said he surveyed teenagers daily, said that it is fresh to young people, who may think they "discovered" the style in thrift shops. Like other pollsters and merchants, Mr. Wood said that few teenagers would do preppy head-to-toe. "They'll wear the polo shirts with the collars turned up, with the surf or skate, or both, in a smorgasbord of styles."
Indeed, turned-up collars seem to be in vogue again - even turned-up jacket collars.
On Thursday, Nathan Watters, 19, from St. Louis, stood on a SoHo street corner and modeled his latest purchase: a charcoal gray corduroy blazer he had just bought at French Connection for $168. "I just pop the collar - like this,'' he said, posing for a photographer. Jeans are still big, he added, as his three friends nodded. "Cut is still O.K., but neat,'' he said.
His friend Jessica Mantel, also 19, added, "You're paying a fortune for clothing, so it might as well look good, instead of torn.''
These 13 year olds allegedly dressed in the new preppy look outside of the American Eagle Outfitters store.
Edited by - Indy11 on 8/17/2004 10:48:39 AM
Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:44 am
interesting article indy....I have a question...
Yesterday I read that Christina Agu..Agui...Aguil...that blonde slapper, you know the one...had decided to remove all of her piercings (except one nipple ring) in a bid to "clean herself up". So, is this music imitating youth culture? Or vice versa?
Over here in britain, we appear to be about six months behind the states in "music fashion", I've progressively watched kids getting grungier and grungier over the last couple of years - but more recently I've noticed that baggy is getting "old hat" and the smarter fashions are coming back in again.
Its a trend that you can see over the last 30 years if you look at it closely....Rock n Roll spawned bands like the Rolling Stones who rebelled to a rougher look....as did The Who and others like them, eventually producing progressive rock which is about as grungy as the era got. But then Prog Rock spawned Glam Rock and Disco coming from the Motown scene was much smarter. Glam Rock produced the Punk Rebellion, New Romantics produced the Goths. Acid Clubbers produced indie kids....and so on and so forth. To every Yin there is a Yang....its like one big circular money-making formula.
Yesterday I read that Christina Agu..Agui...Aguil...that blonde slapper, you know the one...had decided to remove all of her piercings (except one nipple ring) in a bid to "clean herself up". So, is this music imitating youth culture? Or vice versa?
Over here in britain, we appear to be about six months behind the states in "music fashion", I've progressively watched kids getting grungier and grungier over the last couple of years - but more recently I've noticed that baggy is getting "old hat" and the smarter fashions are coming back in again.
Its a trend that you can see over the last 30 years if you look at it closely....Rock n Roll spawned bands like the Rolling Stones who rebelled to a rougher look....as did The Who and others like them, eventually producing progressive rock which is about as grungy as the era got. But then Prog Rock spawned Glam Rock and Disco coming from the Motown scene was much smarter. Glam Rock produced the Punk Rebellion, New Romantics produced the Goths. Acid Clubbers produced indie kids....and so on and so forth. To every Yin there is a Yang....its like one big circular money-making formula.
Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:55 am
All things are cyclical which ultimately may mean that the Chinese historians were right after all. 
Hemlines, necklines and now um....waistbands ... go up and down. The happier the times, the shorter the skirts, they used to say. I always thought it was the other way around.
But I remember the Who the Taw does. They were mod rockers. Although the Moody Blues were popular with the Mods too but I don't remember them being very sharp in attire.
Who knows. All I can say is that if the new preppy look still means that the ladies have to wear those low rise jeans, no problems from this quarter.
Hemlines, necklines and now um....waistbands ... go up and down. The happier the times, the shorter the skirts, they used to say. I always thought it was the other way around.
But I remember the Who the Taw does. They were mod rockers. Although the Moody Blues were popular with the Mods too but I don't remember them being very sharp in attire.
Who knows. All I can say is that if the new preppy look still means that the ladies have to wear those low rise jeans, no problems from this quarter.
Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:25 am
Bah, bring back school uniforms with regulations and the cane. Remove all that rubbish the kids use to "identify" themselves with (Makeup, hair cuts, clothing, etc etc), make them all wear the same, shirts buttoned, trousers/skirts pressed wtih creases in the front, and NO jewelry/mobiles/makeup!
Simply put, make them all plain, normal, and looking the same, and they become more pacified. Its been proved by putting kids in boiler suits, they all lost their "Rebellious" ways - same as "Abu Hamza" went from threatening cleric to little kitten once he was dressed in boiler suit, and claw removed.
Remove their "trademarks" and those grades/good behaviour will come. It removes their "individuality" or their "identity" in with the masses, and they change to being normal once more.
The cane is to enforce the rules - beat em if they try to rebel!
Edited by - Chips on 8/17/2004 12:26:25 PM
Simply put, make them all plain, normal, and looking the same, and they become more pacified. Its been proved by putting kids in boiler suits, they all lost their "Rebellious" ways - same as "Abu Hamza" went from threatening cleric to little kitten once he was dressed in boiler suit, and claw removed.
Remove their "trademarks" and those grades/good behaviour will come. It removes their "individuality" or their "identity" in with the masses, and they change to being normal once more.
The cane is to enforce the rules - beat em if they try to rebel!
Edited by - Chips on 8/17/2004 12:26:25 PM
Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:28 pm
I am sooo glad that you're not my principal, chips.
We got uniforms here in good ole victoria, and they aren't as bad as they seem, sure the co-ordinators are uptight about it, but just feed a bull**** exscuse and you're home free with jeans.
but really chips... thats almost too far
=:=
Vi
We got uniforms here in good ole victoria, and they aren't as bad as they seem, sure the co-ordinators are uptight about it, but just feed a bull**** exscuse and you're home free with jeans.
but really chips... thats almost too far
=:=
Vi
Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:19 am
@chips - I went to a very strict school....an old grammar. The school uniforms were immaculate. There was a regulation length for hair...that was often checked, not too short, not too long. We couldn't take our blazers off until the headmaster announced it was ok - but he never did. If we wore white socks we'd be made to take them off and walk barefoot...happened to me on the way home from school once, and the enforcing teacher kerb crawled behind me all the way home (2 miles) to make sure I didn't put my shoes back on. And so on and so forth....but this only served to increase our rebellion outside of school. So I can tell ya that stricter schools don't make a difference, they only fuel the fire.