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Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:33 am
we pay dollars?
god damnit im so behind the times. Why cant our tax dollars go on something more worthwhile like WAR or Counter Terrorism, instead of ways and means to better understand the people of the country. damn that government.
Guns dont kill people, ethnic minorities do
god damnit im so behind the times. Why cant our tax dollars go on something more worthwhile like WAR or Counter Terrorism, instead of ways and means to better understand the people of the country. damn that government.
Guns dont kill people, ethnic minorities do
Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:10 am
Bah, this is complete and utter nonsense. The whole survey was probably done by getting about three people to sit down in their office, and look out the window and write down what groups of teens are wearing, and what they think it says about their attitude,
The survey makes little or no mention of what the people's personality's are, only what they wear.
In my country (the vibrant paradise *cough* that is Northern Ireland), the entire teen population, including me, wear jeans regardless of gender or anything else, and I would say the "tribes" would be Skaters, Goths, and normal people.
Edited by - ~Corsair#01~ on 8/13/2004 9:10:46 AM
The survey makes little or no mention of what the people's personality's are, only what they wear.
In my country (the vibrant paradise *cough* that is Northern Ireland), the entire teen population, including me, wear jeans regardless of gender or anything else, and I would say the "tribes" would be Skaters, Goths, and normal people.
Edited by - ~Corsair#01~ on 8/13/2004 9:10:46 AM
Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:44 am
Do they have a tribe of kids that sit at home, play video games, post silly things to a forum for the video games they play, they really don't give a s**t about what they are wearing, get a job in IT, waste away in an office, get fat from not exercising, and then eventually die because CRTs put out some kind of radiation that has been slowly poisening them for years????
That's the tribe I could fit in with...
That's the tribe I could fit in with...
Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:00 am
ok ok. seriously, no-one seems to have yet pointed out the merits of this study, so I'm going to play devils advocate.
It isn't trying to categorise every single kid, its trying to build a social picture to demonstrate to foreign kids the sort of things that the UK kids are into. And to be honest, I think it does that quite well. Yes there are overlaps, yes there are group missing, no you can't categorise everyone. BUT, if you weren't from the UK and you were to read this list, I believe that it would definitely give you a better social insight than the previous "janet and john" style english-as-a-foreign-language helpbooks.
I've called people "townies" or "skaters" or "goths" since I was a kid - but no-one ever told me to stop categorising people because its unfair....thats because they were fully aware that I realise that you can't categorise everyone - and no-one ever falls in as being "pure" in their social circle. The same goes with this study - they've just put down in writing (albeit simplified and generalised) exactly what people have been talking about for years.
I'm the first to admit that I began as a rocker, became a grunger, then an indie kid and finally a hippy. I made a conscious choice to become these things - whether I admitted it at the time or not. And yes these categories (for want of a better word) DO revolve around music - but lifestyle choices have revolved around music since the dawn of rock and roll over 50 years ago. Before then, every kid in the UK wore suits or trousers and shirts. The dawn of popular music brought along style changes, rebellion and inevitabley new social circles relating to those music groups.
This is still rife today. Indie kids of today think they're new. They think that they're the first kids who have ever "rebelled" against the standardised "townie" image of shirts and trousers. There's nothing new there. Nothing at all.
So a group of people to get together and to try and produce a few categories of these social circles, to demonstrate to foreign kids whats going on in the UK today, isn't offensive at all. They've been doing it for 50 years - Mods, Rockers, Hippies, Punks, Progressives, Shoe Gazers, New Romantics.
They're generalised - SO WHAT??! A lot of people either don't fit into these categories or drift between them - AND? The fact of the matter is, these categories exist, the fact that they blend into one is not only irrelevant but also proves exactly what the study set out to acheive in the first place.
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It isn't trying to categorise every single kid, its trying to build a social picture to demonstrate to foreign kids the sort of things that the UK kids are into. And to be honest, I think it does that quite well. Yes there are overlaps, yes there are group missing, no you can't categorise everyone. BUT, if you weren't from the UK and you were to read this list, I believe that it would definitely give you a better social insight than the previous "janet and john" style english-as-a-foreign-language helpbooks.
I've called people "townies" or "skaters" or "goths" since I was a kid - but no-one ever told me to stop categorising people because its unfair....thats because they were fully aware that I realise that you can't categorise everyone - and no-one ever falls in as being "pure" in their social circle. The same goes with this study - they've just put down in writing (albeit simplified and generalised) exactly what people have been talking about for years.
I'm the first to admit that I began as a rocker, became a grunger, then an indie kid and finally a hippy. I made a conscious choice to become these things - whether I admitted it at the time or not. And yes these categories (for want of a better word) DO revolve around music - but lifestyle choices have revolved around music since the dawn of rock and roll over 50 years ago. Before then, every kid in the UK wore suits or trousers and shirts. The dawn of popular music brought along style changes, rebellion and inevitabley new social circles relating to those music groups.
This is still rife today. Indie kids of today think they're new. They think that they're the first kids who have ever "rebelled" against the standardised "townie" image of shirts and trousers. There's nothing new there. Nothing at all.
So a group of people to get together and to try and produce a few categories of these social circles, to demonstrate to foreign kids whats going on in the UK today, isn't offensive at all. They've been doing it for 50 years - Mods, Rockers, Hippies, Punks, Progressives, Shoe Gazers, New Romantics.
They're generalised - SO WHAT??! A lot of people either don't fit into these categories or drift between them - AND? The fact of the matter is, these categories exist, the fact that they blend into one is not only irrelevant but also proves exactly what the study set out to acheive in the first place.
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Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:23 am
It's a little odd that they separate grungers, nu-metal kids and skaters when most people will look at them and consider them the same thing. For most people it's a case of "oh, you're wearing baggy combat style trousers and a T-shirt, you must be a grunger. If you wear black, you're a goth and if you where excessive amounts of burberry or sports wear you're a townie/chav/pikey etc.
That's about all the "tribes" there is!
That's about all the "tribes" there is!
Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:40 am
aaah they are the ones that they categorise as "townies" apparently.
Although the truth is - the so called "clubbers" are the real townies (named this because they tend to be people who have grown up and stayed in the same small UK town, adopted the 5 day working week, get paralytic on friday and saturday nights and start fights as a result of it - the sort of people who believe that the world ends at the town's borders) - the categorised tribe called "townies" are in fact the real chavvers....similar to townies in that they rarely move outside of their own town, but have no class, dignity or (usually) intelligence, and tend to make their living by scrounging off the government benefit schemes or by crime (or usually - both)
So they did get it wrong - but I suppose they are talking about kids, whereas I'm talking about adults.
Although the truth is - the so called "clubbers" are the real townies (named this because they tend to be people who have grown up and stayed in the same small UK town, adopted the 5 day working week, get paralytic on friday and saturday nights and start fights as a result of it - the sort of people who believe that the world ends at the town's borders) - the categorised tribe called "townies" are in fact the real chavvers....similar to townies in that they rarely move outside of their own town, but have no class, dignity or (usually) intelligence, and tend to make their living by scrounging off the government benefit schemes or by crime (or usually - both)
So they did get it wrong - but I suppose they are talking about kids, whereas I'm talking about adults.
Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:42 pm
Try popularisations, the need for people to press everything into a little hole just so THEY can understand the people better, pure class and caste/kaste (sp??) justice, they will finally start to judge you by your class,like "ohhhh thats a pikey, come on, lets put him up for a showtrial" to be honest, it just makes me wanna vomit, thats the decadency of the western civillisation for ya, the liberal need to have anything and everything under control.
And yes these categories (for want of a better word)
(Mods, sorry for the somewhat political taints, I try to restrain myself to go any further then this)
EDIT: the vince Tribe?? sorry, but that tribe just sounds so.... passé, now no worries there mate, there might actually be people dimm enough to accept you as a leader (in a non-offensive way) for their said tribe, I stand by my statement I made above. whats next?? Tribal tattoos, matching your supposed "tribe"??
Edited by - Locutus on 8/13/2004 3:14:27 PM
Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:24 pm
i think they left one out:
Hackers/Gamers:
Widespread but rarely seen, these people usually identify themselves by an alias and not thier real name, the more cut off from the outside world they are, the less they are seen, and the less well dressed they are. Are usually befriended by members of the community for personal gain, friendly with the authorities.
Hackers/Gamers:
Widespread but rarely seen, these people usually identify themselves by an alias and not thier real name, the more cut off from the outside world they are, the less they are seen, and the less well dressed they are. Are usually befriended by members of the community for personal gain, friendly with the authorities.
Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:30 am
*Rolls eyes* It's an expression , fool! "Dollar" does not necessarily mean "dollar", it's a generic term! *Shakes head and thwacks Arcon and Grom*
we pay dollars?
god damnit im so behind the times. Why cant our tax dollars go on something more worthwhile like WAR or Counter Terrorism, instead of ways and means to better understand the people of the country. damn that government.