Amazing how a topic about people people's favourite weapons could turn into a disscussion about war in general. Anyway, if anything, war is getting smaller. In WW2, there was millions dead. Nowadays, casualties in war itself are quite minimal (at least as far as soldiers are concerned. Civilians...). Admittedly this is mainly because World War 2 was far FAR bigger than wars nowadays, but there can be no doubt that war is changing. In the old days, people would invade a country, kill a few soldiers and then leave the country to it's own devices to recover. What the armies today don't realise is that you can no longer do that. You have to help a country back up again.
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Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:12 pm
damn straight brother! all these bleeding heart "war is bad" liberals make me sick, i bet none of them ever fought for their country. You don't hear vets going around saying they're not proud of their service. Everybody should back our troops 100% in wartime or their traitors, period.
Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:30 pm
Damn Americans. Why do you always think YOU were the winners? it took your pretty navy getting bombed for you to do anything, before you that you sent over UNPROTECTED CONVOYS which we had to guard and TWELVE yes TWELVE DECOMISSIONED DESTROYERS. What the hell are we going to do with them? Send them against the Bismark and pray?
Alot of Americans need a reality check about World War 2 and World War 1. You came in late for both of them, the Allies (Free Europe and the Commonwealth) fought and died whilst you bickered and said War can't touch us. AFAIK the main American tactic in these wars was the mass rush and you call any survivor a hero, yet ytou still harbour a hatred for the German survivors. Were they not hero's for fighting? Do you know what they called the invasion of Germany? The liberation.
I must admire the pig headedness of American History.
"War... War never changes"
"War is a horror invested only by mankind."
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Alot of Americans need a reality check about World War 2 and World War 1. You came in late for both of them, the Allies (Free Europe and the Commonwealth) fought and died whilst you bickered and said War can't touch us. AFAIK the main American tactic in these wars was the mass rush and you call any survivor a hero, yet ytou still harbour a hatred for the German survivors. Were they not hero's for fighting? Do you know what they called the invasion of Germany? The liberation.
I must admire the pig headedness of American History.
"War... War never changes"
"War is a horror invested only by mankind."
-~-~-~-~
There is no Silicon Heaven! But where do all the calculators go ?
You could no more evade my wrath... than you could your own shadow!
Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:15 pm
@Fd,
I think it depends on the amount of time each group has spent in the US. First and second generations generally hold on to their old country languages because they haven't become as fully integrated. Third generations generally speak English first and any other language a very distant second.
@Hel
What prompted that?
I think it depends on the amount of time each group has spent in the US. First and second generations generally hold on to their old country languages because they haven't become as fully integrated. Third generations generally speak English first and any other language a very distant second.
@Hel
What prompted that?
Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:16 pm
WB - While I admit to romanticizing it a bit, don't mistake my attitude. War as we know it is and will always be hell. Any glamor attached comes from gov. propoganda, movies, media, and the fact that heroic deeds are in fact performed.
I wasn't referring to you either, WB
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Yeah, Griff was referring to the "Australian Defence Force'. He's gone crazy alright. The Australian Army is great, but the hats leave much to be desired
. Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:54 pm
now now heltak we don't do that sort of thing. we've had that discussion before and it wasn't very nice then. actually years ago i used to share that point of view and there is a degree of truth in it but it is very unfair. the reality is that without the Americans and Lend-Lease we would have struggled to win the war and it might have gone on for years, posssibly resulting in our defeat, or a dishonourable peace, with hitler still incontrol of most of Europe. no El Alamein (American tanks) no Torch, no Sicily or Italy, def no D-Day, and thats just Europe. When you consider just how much the US military outstripped our own in manpower, material and capability, and how both ourselves and to a slighly lesser extent the Russians were dependent on US supplies, it's beggars beleief to imagine how we could have managed without them.
i don't like it when a certain sort of American calls us cowardly limeys and spouts on about how we would have been nothing without them, but by the same token don't do the same in reverse because its very insulting to our (my) American friends who post here, and it actually isn't true.
i don't like it when a certain sort of American calls us cowardly limeys and spouts on about how we would have been nothing without them, but by the same token don't do the same in reverse because its very insulting to our (my) American friends who post here, and it actually isn't true.
Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:07 pm
Exactly....in Afghanistan, the Australians were the first to take casualty...I know the REAL truth, the americans with their high tech equiptment spotted a grouping of Al Queda, said aw f**** it send the bush bumkins in, so they said to the aussies "oi go get us a beer from the store over there", so the poor aussie dudes with their vintage owen SMG's trudged off, and got shot up...
Lol, another funny story, I heard from a Vietnam Vet Bell Uh-1h iraquois helichopter pilot, he used to transport troops about the battlefeild and stuff. Anyway he said that he could transport 9 aussie troopers, but only 6 US troops because the US troops had more "thingys" presumably meaning they were better equipt
Oh and Esq, the ADF covers RAAF, RAA and RAN, I wouldn't join the poofting rank and file of the army.
Edited by - Griffon_26 on 2/12/2004 4:08:07 PM
Lol, another funny story, I heard from a Vietnam Vet Bell Uh-1h iraquois helichopter pilot, he used to transport troops about the battlefeild and stuff. Anyway he said that he could transport 9 aussie troopers, but only 6 US troops because the US troops had more "thingys" presumably meaning they were better equipt
Oh and Esq, the ADF covers RAAF, RAA and RAN, I wouldn't join the poofting rank and file of the army.
Edited by - Griffon_26 on 2/12/2004 4:08:07 PM
Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:23 pm
thats a bit of a low dig with Gallipoli, Esq, if you don't mind me saying so.
Now I've been to Anzac Cove and Suvla Bay and I known the history well. OK British commanders sent your boys into massed machine gun fire to get slaughtered. They did the same to their own men too, as I'm sure you know.
Tonight I drove down a road nearby called Hot Lane; in the old pub on the end of the road theres a stone plaque which commemorates the deaths in one battle (the Somme) of every able-bodied male who lived on that street prior to 1916 (they all joined up and died together in a "Pals" battalion)
withtin a generation the street was virtually deserted and in the 1960s the houses were knocked down to make way for an industrial estates.
its fair imho to blame the British officer class and the Imperial Staff for what happened at Gallipoli, the idea was Churchill's anyway and he paid for it with nearly 20 years in the political wilderness (and apparently the guilt haunted him for the rest of his life and contributed largely to his heavy drinking/alcoholism) but they slaughtered British soldiers too (repeatedly) and the French actually made a military policy of sending men into the machine gun fire so that the Germans would run out of bullets (the Nivelle offensive)
Edited by - Tawakalna on 2/12/2004 4:34:46 PM
Now I've been to Anzac Cove and Suvla Bay and I known the history well. OK British commanders sent your boys into massed machine gun fire to get slaughtered. They did the same to their own men too, as I'm sure you know.
Tonight I drove down a road nearby called Hot Lane; in the old pub on the end of the road theres a stone plaque which commemorates the deaths in one battle (the Somme) of every able-bodied male who lived on that street prior to 1916 (they all joined up and died together in a "Pals" battalion)
withtin a generation the street was virtually deserted and in the 1960s the houses were knocked down to make way for an industrial estates.
its fair imho to blame the British officer class and the Imperial Staff for what happened at Gallipoli, the idea was Churchill's anyway and he paid for it with nearly 20 years in the political wilderness (and apparently the guilt haunted him for the rest of his life and contributed largely to his heavy drinking/alcoholism) but they slaughtered British soldiers too (repeatedly) and the French actually made a military policy of sending men into the machine gun fire so that the Germans would run out of bullets (the Nivelle offensive)
Edited by - Tawakalna on 2/12/2004 4:34:46 PM
Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:56 pm
It may have been a bit blunt Taw, however the fact remains that Australian troops were slaughtered wholesale with many other troops due to a deficient strategy. I don't think that Austrlian troops are taken very seriously overseas, although their profile is getting better as the years progress.
Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:59 pm
It was intel's fault, we landed too far up the coast where the Turks were. We should have landed further down. In any case we were the ones that invented filling cans with water and let it slowly drip into helmets which were tied to the triggers of rifles aiming up at the turks. They then retreated, but the turks thought they were still there because once the helmet was full it would pull on the trigger and fire the gun.