Su 47 Berkut:



(From Air Force Technology Website)

S-47 BERKUT (GOLDEN EAGLE) - SPECIFICATION
Air Vehicle
Dimensions
Length 22.60 m
Wingspan 16.70 m
Take-off weight 24,000 kg
Performance
Maximum speed 1.6 Mach
Maximum g-force higher than 9g quoted for Su-27
Construction
Airframe aluminium and titanium alloys
Composites 13 per cent by weight


Never underestimate a semi geek who likes obscure aircraft


Edited by - freighter fighter on 30-09-2003 19:58:26

I would abandon the F-22 because you can build 3 MiG-29s for the price of one Raptor. You CANNOT shoot down 3 Fulcrums with one Raptor, can you?

If the technology in the harrier jump jets is proven to work as well as it has, why hasnt it been adapted for civilian usage? it would mean the runways may not need to be so long i think. Also, does anyone know whats happend to the v-22 osprey?

The lightning.

Yes, i do have a soft spot for english aircraft



if i need to tell you the name of this one, you need help.



The nimrod, she is actually a modified comet airframe, bet ya didnt know that one


Edited by - freighter fighter on 30-09-2003 20:13:22

Edited by - freighter fighter on 30-09-2003 20:13:38

Edited by - freighter fighter on 30-09-2003 20:14:08

there have been many attempts to modify the RR Pegasus engine used in the Harrier so that it can be used in different purpose aircraft, all of which came to nothing. There was a long standing Hawker-Siddeley then British Aerospace project to alter it for supersonic capability, British and American projects to adapt it for commercial vehicles and so on; they all failed and/or ran out of money.

The Harrier design dates from the early 60s and has been tweaked and upgraded many times, but essentially it remains the same aircraft that was born on Hawker's drawing boards back then. Nothing else ever seems to work. Just one of those British strokes of genius, never to be repeated. Plenum-chamber burning i think it's called. I dunno why it can't be modified, my dad had a friend who worked at HS then BAe, he tried to expalin it to me when I was about 12 but I don't remember now (he's dead now anyway so I suppose I'll never know!)

thanks ff for the Lightning and Vulcan pics, always a joy 2 see, wonderful machines, those are the planes of my childhood that i remember from airshows at Finningley and Fairford, etc. Finningley was always the best because you got a Vulcan scramble, afterburning Lightnings, and a Belfast would land and disgorge Daleks or Cyberman who'd then all get blown up! ace!

btw yep was well aware the Nimrod is a modified Comet, just a s the Shackleton is/was a heavily modofied Lancaster.



Edited by - Tawakalna on 01-10-2003 01:08:38

I remember a funny story about a Bae team taking the harrier to a japanese airshow to showcase her.

it was an aerobatic display which impressed the japanese very much, at the end of the display, the harrier bowed to the audience. The Bae team wonder why they are the only ones still standing, the japanese are politley bowing back to the harrier

"What? Another girl! Tell me my boy. *whispers* what have you been doing?" - Tobias

Edited by - freighter fighter on 30-09-2003 20:40:14

I think the Osprey got canned because it had the tendency to kill marines it carried. Two fatal accidents, at least, iirc.

If it is true, the bow of the Harrier story is wicked cool !

during the mid to late 70s FF I went to a fair few airshows with me dad (part of his trying to interest me in the RAF, poor man) and one thing I remember is how impressed American aircrew were with the Harrier because at the time they had nothing like it until they started building it themselves as the AV8 for the Marines. seeing as what an impact it had on them i am not surprised the Japanese reacted the way they did, I've seen many a Harrier "bow" and they do it very well and gracefully.

From:Chetnik

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You CANNOT shoot down 3 Fulcrums with one Raptor, can you?

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With an American Raptor, it really depends on who's flying the Migs. The Raptor has stealth capabilities which would give it an edge in the beyond visual range fight. A stealth aircraft has an impossibly small radar signature. You're looking at something half a semi-truck long with the radar return of a small bird. You have to be close to get a good lock.

In addition to it's radar-absorbing materials and radar-influenced shaping, the Raptor has all of its weapons stored in internal bays. Thus there are no weapons hanging under the wing to add to a radar cross section. These internal bays are looking at weapons in the numbers of two Sidewinders, Six AMRAMs, two JDAMs, and a gatling gun.

I won't doubt that a Fulcrum in good condition with skilled pilots is a danger, but the Raptor is meant to be the step beyond the Fulcrum, the next generation air superiority fighter. I guess we really won't know the stats on Raptor vs. Fulcrum until the Raptor starts partcipating in Fallon, Red Flag, and Red October.

jedierrant

Saving damsels in distress,
Defending the defenseless,
Fighting for the underdog,
Don Quixote in an X-wing.

Play UT, and you'll leave crying Volun-Tears!

Does anyone know the difference between the Raptor and JSF? I googled some pics and they both look fairly similar.

Only plane I realy know and like is the Avro Arrow.

Life: No one gets out alive.

raptor is american, JSF is a joint venture between uk, france and spain/italy i think

"What? Another girl! Tell me my boy. *whispers* what have you been doing?" - Tobias

Yep, the Raptor (F-22) and Joint Strike Fighter (F-35, I hope they come up with a better name than JSF) look a whole lot alike. It's probably the optimum shape to reduce radar returns. The F-117, F-22, and F-35 all have the same tail structure. That's probably the optimum angle for a tail to deflect radar waves away from the radar stations (regular perpendicular tails are liable to reflect right back. It's all a psychics deflection-reflection problem.).

The main visual difference between the Raptor and JSF is their engines. The JSF has one Pratt and Witney engine. As shown,



The Raptor, on the other hand, has two engines.


The Raptor is also meant to take over the air superiority role from the F-15. The JSF is so how meant to take over for a bunch of aircraft. I see it replacing the F-16 as interceptor. Though it's supposed to replace the A-10 in some manner which I cannot see how. The A-10 is the best ship to accomodate its role. A slow, heavily armored platform for that gatling gun, so it can stay over target longer and fire said main gun.

jedierrant

Saving damsels in distress,
Defending the defenseless,
Fighting for the underdog,
Don Quixote in an X-wing.

Play UT, and you'll leave crying Volun-Tears!




Edited by - jedierrant on 01-10-2003 14:27:03

Edited by - jedierrant on 01-10-2003 14:28:04

Wrong, ff. The Raptor and JSF are both American planes. Though the JSF is a patternship with the BAE. I think the RAF and maybe the RN (the JSF is coming with a vertical take off model) are going to buy.

jedierrant

Saving damsels in distress,
Defending the defenseless,
Fighting for the underdog,
Don Quixote in an X-wing.

Play UT, and you'll leave crying Volun-Tears!