I SOOO Agree with Triyun.

Also to Quote YOU jacob,

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Calm down, it is just a game.

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Where does that sound familiar...hmmmm...

FIne, I'll just take it.

The thing about the judges was that Triyun and Roc would be doing the battles completally subjectively, while I would be doing it objectivly. Sorry if that came out the wrong way, but it had to be said.

And, EVERYONE on ONE isn't exactly fair either.

What we need is a judge to do these battles who isn't playing, and I think I know just the man. I'll contact him tommorow. He can do the battles the old CYOF 1 way, since he knows that method better than anyone except maybe Omega Chief or myself.

The Return of OUTCAST OR DSQrn, right?

OOC- objectivly, Jacob, most of your battles in 2.0 were subjective in your favor. NO offence, but it is the truth.

Edited by - Gunblader on 1/6/2005 8:32:09 PM

You know this is kind of different then the others being attacked by everyone. You stand a chance to repel them. And the fact that you think you have enough credits to turn the tide of this war show our judgement about you being a threat to everyone was correct. And we did do our best by having roc temporarily resign his player position to have a bias judge because we knew you or I would not be.

Edited by - Triyun on 1/6/2005 8:33:08 PM

yeah, That is why we Blizted you. The fact is, I conquered Maggellin(no of your forces are there, it fell pretty easiliy), probably will conquer Manchester, and will most likely conquer cortez. You other systems, unless you pull a miracle, will fall one by one.

I'm with Jacob here. It isn't really fair to have *anyone* with a vested interest in the battles resolve them subjectively (as the current method would require). So we definitely should either get someone completely separate or let Jacob do it the proper A+A way (because, while he could lie about the rolls, I'd like to think he's above that). As far as Roc judging is concerned I'd still say it's inappropriate simply because any sort of purely subjective method will never be bias-free and since Roc has committed forced to the battle that sort of bias may manifest itself.

Also, I'd like a ruling about my Capital Ships idea that I posted on the CYOF boards (nobody responded though ). Since all sides have capships now it's not like one will benefit more than another anyway.

And I'd like to wish you good luck in the coming conflict, Jacob. I know that we're on opposite sides IC but I would be unsportsmanlike to not extend that sentiment, especially after the help you've given me in the past.

Bretonia Turn 11

Base Count-
7 Planets (140 credits)
15 Large Stations (300 credits)
10 Small Stations (100 credits)
1 Fighter Shipyard (20 credits)
Total- 560 credits+2800 Leftover
3400 Credits, 346 Food, 675 H-Fuel, 735 Metals, 342 Oxygen, 327 Water

New London: Planet New London, 1 Capital Shipyard (Southampton), 2 Large Stations (Thames+Canterbury), 20 LF (New London) Battleship Westmoreland, 20 VHF, 130 LF

Leeds- Planet Leeds, 2 Large Stations (LD-14+Stokes), 1 Small Station (Durham), 10 LF (Leeds), 5 LF (Durham)

Cambridge- Planet Cambridge, 1 Small Station (Atredies), 20 LF (Cambridge)

Dublin- 1 Large Station (Graves), Battleship Essex, 10 HF, 10 LF (Graves)

Edinburgh- 2 Large Stations (Aberdeen+Perth), 10 LF (Aberdeen), 10 LF (Perth)

Manchester- 2 Small Stations (Liverpool+Kingston), 1 Large Station (Newgate) (H), 1 Large Station (Birmingham), 10 LF (Birmingham)

Omega-3- 1 Large Station (Douglas), 2 Gunboats, 10 HF, 20 LF (Douglas)

Omega-7- Battleship Norfolk, Battleship Dartmoor, 1 Cruiser, 2 Gunboats, 25 VHF, 35 HF, 35 LF

Tau-31- Planet Harris, Battleship Brighton, 2 Destroyers, 25 VHF, 25 HF, 45 LF (Harris)

Tau-23- 1 Large Station (T31 GCS), 20 LF

Tau-29- 1 Small Station (Tragar) Battleship York, 10 HF

Cortez- 1 Small Station (Reading), 5 LF

Magellan- 1 Fighter Shipyard (Hastings), 1 Small Station (Madros), Battleship Suffolk, 10 HF (Hastings), 1 Cruiser (Madros)

California- Planet California Minor, 1 Small Station (San Diego)

Total Military:
6 Battleships
2 Destroyers
2 Cruisers
4 Gunboats
50 VHF wings
100 HF wings
305 LF wings

Placing-
Battleship Westmoreland in New London
20 VHF in New London

Purchases-
100 VHF wings
200 LF wings
-3000 credits

Leftovers-
400 Credits
378 Food, 193 H-Fuel, 256 Metals, 123 Oxygen, 367 Water

Movements-

100 LF from California to New London
30 LF from New York to New London

Attacks-
None

Relations-

War:
Everyone ()

Incorperated:
BMM
Planetform
Bowex
IMG
GMG

Allys:
None ()

Friendly:
None

Neutral:
Everyone Else (Who doesn't want my blood)


Ship Stats-
Cavalier LF (8+1)- 4 FA, 3 FD, 1 CA, 1 CD
Crusader HF (12)- 4 FA, 4 FD, 2 CA, 2 CD
Paladin VHF (16)- 5 FA, 5 FD, 3 CA, 3 CD
"Watchman" Class Gunboat (18)- 4 FA, 4 FD, 5 CA, 5 CD
"Knight" Class Cruiser (20)- 4 FA, 4 FD, 6 CA, 6 CD
"Guardian" Class Destroyer (28)- 5 FA, 5 FD, 9 CA, 9 CD
"Hastings" Class Battleship (32+1)- 8 FA, 7 FD, 9 CA, 9 CD

Jacob your forces are engaged in California plus there is a fleet in its way at Manchester of Liberty.

Codename I know roc wouldn't have been completely unbiased but we did make an effort to do the best we could is what I'm saying.

Jacob- you don't own San Deigo border station in Cali. I never aggreed to it, I gave you 100 credits instead, and you aggreed to that by pulling you ship out of Liberty space. Look at the post if you don't believe me. I don't know when you got those LF's in New york, but they weren't there in your last turn.

Edited by - Gunblader on 1/6/2005 8:47:15 PM

@ Triyun - I understand that, of course. But if there's a completely unbiased way of doing this then that's the way it should be done.

@ Gunblader - Well, it wasn't really up to you to dictate terms then, was it? If Jacob decided to keep San Diego then that's the way it is. If you've been collecting resources and such as if you owned it that's fine by me. And you'll get it back soon anyway.

I already posted what he said the terms were. I suggested 100 credits instead on San Diego, and he aggreed to that by pulling his ships out.

Once I cut his only ways into liberty off, I won't have to worry about it. I'll just send one Lf wing to capture it lol

Jacob- are you subtracting the commodity cost of the wings? jus wudering

Edited by - Gunblader on 1/6/2005 8:58:24 PM

Several points.

first and foremost I claimed those Kusari systems. No one, with the possible exception of Samura and Kishiro has a claim to them. I am willing to be civil about this and divide them up between interested factions but I expect to get something in return. It's not my fault that everyone else was slow in reacting. Therefore since everyone is making a power grab I am taking a new approach.

I propose the following deal with Samura industries. I am willing to turn over controll of all Kusari systems I currently controll to you. In return all I ask is to be allowed to keep the planets. I would be willing to trade one of the planets to you for your base in the taus (I believe it is in tau 29).


Second, Bretonia has been a good neighbor to us. I ask that the pirate factions please refrain from attacking them. If the houses want to blow each other to kingdom come fine, but I stand with Bretonia if I am forced to make the choice.

Bretonia, VD, has been expanding solidly into your territory. We must cut off their power at its head. Please, if you disagree with this, at least remain neutral.The Taus are yours by right, just as the Omegas are ours. Why should Bretonia take hold of them, pushing into your territory, raping your systems and pillaging them of their value. Why allow that to happen? Bretonia has not been a good ally; for all intensive purposes, they have been entirely neutral while Jacob II's vendetta to overtake the Borderworlds of Sirius grows steadily. They saw it happen to Rhineland 50 years ago, once Jacob I cruelly decided to move into Stuttgart and Dresden and take them from the Rhinelanders by force. Bretonia would soon move into Omega 5, even Omega 11, with its fleets. And then maybe broker a peace treaty with the Corsairs in return for the location of Omicron Alpha. You aRe no more safe from Bretonia then we are. They must fall.

Jacob, honestly it's just a game. Relaaax...none of us hate you . We're only attacking you IC.

Please no one take their turn until these battles are resolved and no one post combat movements or blockades until 2 hours after the results are posted. Also if this takes a couple days just count the time elapsed as one turn.

VD the disarmament of Bretonia is necessary, how long must it take for all of you to realize your not going to get anywhere backing the most powerful faction. You don't have to participate in the attack, but we'll not turn over bases to you then.

To all members of the alliance, don't fret about Jacobs new fighter fleet he's building, most of it can't be actually built this turn. In fact if most of the areas where we are extremely likely to have victories he can only produce 72 fighters per turn. Even if the areas where we very likely will win were held it still would not be enough to even produce all the fighter wings.