Fri Feb 28, 2003 1:08 am
thoughts on post''rs (longer than expected) 
I find it funny to read many of these posts. What I find most comical, is all this trash talk back and forth about whether the "universe" is dynamic enough, the lighting is/isn't right, the AI is/isn't smart enough, yada yada yada.
Most of the complainers complain why it's in this shape after a 5 yr development. Hell, be glad you're getting the game period. Who would have thought MS would let them keep going after year 3, let alone after Roberts left? Sure, if DA hadn't had as many issues as they did, had Roberts's original vision not been so large in scope, the game would have been out 2 years ago, and the graphics would be top notch.
there are a few things people need to keep in mind here:
1) Patches: just be patient, send in ideas on what features/bugs need to work for post release patches. Is there any game that doesn't need a patch within a month of release? I think it is intentionally done in a way that the source is stable, may be missing a couple of things, made gold, and while the pressing is being done, the dev's are working on that first patch that usually shows up in the first week that fixes a few of the things people thought should have been in the gold (but would have held the game up an extra 3-4 weeks).
2) The game was originally an MMOG, and trimming it to SP took changes. Due to the extensive dev cycle, obviously MS didn't want the dev's to waste their time reworking the entire graphical system and redoing all the models just so they'd be up to date. They wanted the game to 'work' so "WE" could play it. If the game is well received, which is has been by those not 'trying' to rip it apart, then they have a baseline for developing an expansion or FL2.
3) This is the first space sim from DA, so everything from Engine up is new. It's not like Roberts was able to bring all his work from Origin and build from there. Starlancer was done outside, it was just a game in developement with no set story to hook the gamer. So altering Warthog's product to fit in Freelancer's world gave it a purpose, and a reason for us gamers to buy it. Otherwise, would any of us have bought it? So give DA a break from having to get the tools, people, politics, money, etc. worked out so they could actually deliver the game.
It's not the end all, be all of games. It's Privateer 2003. About the only real annoyance I have is I wish they'd kept the 3 missions at a time feature from Privateer, and the mission generator, which allowed you to request more missions if you didn't like those first offered. I hate only being able to do a single kill mission. I want to be on a cargo mission, and be able to also pick up some hunting missions to do along my way
it's going to be a nice game, and hopefully, MS will allow DA to give us some nice post release upgrades to the game that will fill out some of the gripes here, which are unwarrented at this stage (as no game ever lives up to exactly what is originally conceived). Let the game come out, let them work out any issues and maybe some AI features, and hopefully an expansion, which will create more story lines or possible more spinoff stories. Even if the base story was the same, but they created a special set of missions based on which factions you are aligning with, that would be cool.
I also find it strange that someone who finds this game unenjoyable would take the time to come to a site for fans of the game and constantly post how bad it is. Why are you visiting a "fan" site if you're not a fan? Obviously the "fans" aren't going to be in agreement with you, and flame wars will ensue, and most of any good points you make will be lost in the mix. I think most of the "fans" are people who've been waiting a long time, with a mix of people just learning about it, and not having played a sim like it before. For us old gamers, who played games like Elite or Privateer (Privateer2 doesn't count, that didn't deserve the name Privateer), we may be spoiled or jaded, but just like Privateer was not like other games on the PC at the time, FL isn't like the other games out on the PC right now.
It may not be perfect, but no game is. Just enjoy the game, or don't, but allow those who wish to enjoy it and be immersed in it to do so without constant griping about things you have no control over, nor any idea why they aren't in the game or might be coming shortly.
if you don't like the game, that's fine, then you should be reading websites related to games or topics you like. What kind of perverted mental illness causes you to come back to something you don't find enjoyable, just to pick fights with others? Start enjoying your life and do things you like rather than complaning about those you don't and can't change.
regards,
RogueOne
Edited by - rogueone on 28-02-2003 01:08:46
Most of the complainers complain why it's in this shape after a 5 yr development. Hell, be glad you're getting the game period. Who would have thought MS would let them keep going after year 3, let alone after Roberts left? Sure, if DA hadn't had as many issues as they did, had Roberts's original vision not been so large in scope, the game would have been out 2 years ago, and the graphics would be top notch.
there are a few things people need to keep in mind here:
1) Patches: just be patient, send in ideas on what features/bugs need to work for post release patches. Is there any game that doesn't need a patch within a month of release? I think it is intentionally done in a way that the source is stable, may be missing a couple of things, made gold, and while the pressing is being done, the dev's are working on that first patch that usually shows up in the first week that fixes a few of the things people thought should have been in the gold (but would have held the game up an extra 3-4 weeks).
2) The game was originally an MMOG, and trimming it to SP took changes. Due to the extensive dev cycle, obviously MS didn't want the dev's to waste their time reworking the entire graphical system and redoing all the models just so they'd be up to date. They wanted the game to 'work' so "WE" could play it. If the game is well received, which is has been by those not 'trying' to rip it apart, then they have a baseline for developing an expansion or FL2.
3) This is the first space sim from DA, so everything from Engine up is new. It's not like Roberts was able to bring all his work from Origin and build from there. Starlancer was done outside, it was just a game in developement with no set story to hook the gamer. So altering Warthog's product to fit in Freelancer's world gave it a purpose, and a reason for us gamers to buy it. Otherwise, would any of us have bought it? So give DA a break from having to get the tools, people, politics, money, etc. worked out so they could actually deliver the game.
It's not the end all, be all of games. It's Privateer 2003. About the only real annoyance I have is I wish they'd kept the 3 missions at a time feature from Privateer, and the mission generator, which allowed you to request more missions if you didn't like those first offered. I hate only being able to do a single kill mission. I want to be on a cargo mission, and be able to also pick up some hunting missions to do along my way
it's going to be a nice game, and hopefully, MS will allow DA to give us some nice post release upgrades to the game that will fill out some of the gripes here, which are unwarrented at this stage (as no game ever lives up to exactly what is originally conceived). Let the game come out, let them work out any issues and maybe some AI features, and hopefully an expansion, which will create more story lines or possible more spinoff stories. Even if the base story was the same, but they created a special set of missions based on which factions you are aligning with, that would be cool.
I also find it strange that someone who finds this game unenjoyable would take the time to come to a site for fans of the game and constantly post how bad it is. Why are you visiting a "fan" site if you're not a fan? Obviously the "fans" aren't going to be in agreement with you, and flame wars will ensue, and most of any good points you make will be lost in the mix. I think most of the "fans" are people who've been waiting a long time, with a mix of people just learning about it, and not having played a sim like it before. For us old gamers, who played games like Elite or Privateer (Privateer2 doesn't count, that didn't deserve the name Privateer), we may be spoiled or jaded, but just like Privateer was not like other games on the PC at the time, FL isn't like the other games out on the PC right now.
It may not be perfect, but no game is. Just enjoy the game, or don't, but allow those who wish to enjoy it and be immersed in it to do so without constant griping about things you have no control over, nor any idea why they aren't in the game or might be coming shortly.
if you don't like the game, that's fine, then you should be reading websites related to games or topics you like. What kind of perverted mental illness causes you to come back to something you don't find enjoyable, just to pick fights with others? Start enjoying your life and do things you like rather than complaning about those you don't and can't change.
regards,
RogueOne
Edited by - rogueone on 28-02-2003 01:08:46
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