I though about asking for that, but if I do what I'm supposed to and update this thing as new things come out (quite often actually), it would be virtually sticky anyway

edit: also this is good because when I update it, it jumps to the top so people know when to check to see what's new

Edited by - Imagine on 24-09-2003 09:33:32

Imagine, you could put a link into this for accushots column in the general modding forum. It is a very very large post that is full of questions and topics that both of us answer, and just about encompasses everything you could possibly want to test out! Its up to your discretion, but we also answer questions when people are stuck with stuff.
Chips

Chips and LordFjord: Thank you for your contributions

This thing is getting pretty damn big.

I thank you for making that ship tutorial to help me make the RBR so let me repay you,

By letting me present you with my make your own weapon tutorial

Join the DFCA (DeathHawk Freelancer Clan Academy) today!

Edited by - Nobody on 99-99-9999 99:99:99

Boink.. I mean BUMP.... Very handy indeed...

More handy than Mrs. Palmer......

I also made this.It's a Tutorial that has most things covered.its very handy! Just like this Database!

But the worst happened when Bargib started singing Campfire songs!-----Baptism of Fire

Imagine- i am not being nasty to anyone here, BUT.............

Have a look at some of these tutorials - mainly (sorry guys if this is wrong okay) downwind_theifs and also deathawk/SirMilkshape. I am affraid they appear to be ripoffs of LordFjords tutorials from his site. They certainly have exactly the same comments and stucture as his, much like they were copied and pasted. Howver - they are not credited as his, but being claimed by others. Now - if this is my mistake then sorry fellas, and i will ammend this post to be a congratulatory one instead, - however, right now the evidence is pointing towards two people copying and pasting others tutorials and claiming credit. NOT GOOD PEOPLE - that is NOT FAIR PLAY. People spend HOURS writing tutorials - and if they are just rip offs then its a very bad sign.

Imagine - suggest you check them out for yourself - especially Sir Milkshapes mega tutorial thing - which should be reading a title like this right now as far as i can see

mega compilation of LordFjords work - compiled by Sir Milkshape.

To be precice i wrote 3 quatrs of this tutorial.Hah!

But the worst happened when Bargib started singing Campfire songs!-----Baptism of Fire

Sir Milkshape, it would be so much easier to find things if you split them into separate tuts instead of mashing them into one thread

Chips:
I know that some of Milkshape aka DeathHawk's tuts are c/p, but I did not realize that others were from LordFjord's as well. I will do match checks for these tuts against LordFjord's and check the dates of creation, but that will take some time.

are there any you think should be removed in the meantime?

Well - just that i noticed that his new thread with massive tutorials has incredibel parallels with lordfjords - right down to the exact sentances, examples and even lordfjords link to a website in there (someone who has explained how something works already) - also the blackhole one STILL has he zone with the exact same location as the original blackhole tutorial, and the faction making is identical to lordfjords. Heck - it looks like carbon copies to me really - the content is identical or near identical in that whole thread.

If it is written by your own fair hand - then i would appologise immediately - but honestly the chances of using the same independant worlds jumphole examples, the same positions, same lines of exact description and etc etc are incredible. I am all for tutorials, but the only necessaity to include them is IF they either exaplain something better to be understood or, contain new things or new ways of doing something

Of course, guns tutorials can take many forms - but systems tutorials are incredibly long to write, and when i first saw lordfjords i stopped writing mine. I had already spent an hour on it, but honestly - his did enough, and i didn't want to type out for another three hours to make it a good tutorial.

Those tutorials seem identical enough to be straight copies to me, which just undermines ALL of Lordfjords hard work. Worse than that, if that is true - it also reduces the wish to write the tutorials as well - due to the fact that you spend hours doing it and then someone clones it to claim as theirs. Soon there will be no more tutorials - but right now i believe that there is enough similarities in these posts to show significant doubt over the authenticity of the origins of the work.
Forget checking dates, just use two windows - one to Lordfjords site, and one to Milkshapes thread. Crossrefence the posts instead.
Lordfjords site
Milkshapes Mega Tutorial

Also - here is a little extra:

Blackhole original positions:

---

[Object
nickname = BlackHole2
pos = 60000, 0, 0
rotate = 0, 0, 180
ambient_color = 0, 0, 0
archetype = Blackhole_Well
spin = 0, 0, 0

[zone
nickname = Zone_BH
pos = 60000, 0, 0
rotate = 0, 0, 0
shape = ring
size = 3000, 700, 200
sort = 99.500000

---

And here is the new tutorials position for the whole:

---

[Object
nickname = BlackHole2
pos = -16400, 0, 75000
rotate = 0, 0, 0
ambient_color = 0, 0, 0
archetype = blackhole
spin = 0, 1, 0

[zone
nickname = bhole_zone
pos = 60000, 0, 0 ;this line still has original position
rotate = 0, 0, 0
shape = ring
size = 3000, 700, 200
sort = 99.500000

---

Please note that the two here, why on earth would you have your zone set to the same as the original tutorials zone position? Out of all those zones? especially since the rest of yours is SO different.......strikes me that it was copied with a few minor changes, but one tell tale thing was forgotten.

NOw for the making a faction- you have copied it again, but just taken a differnet entry from the faction_prop.ini file, and reworded some text - but it still strikes me as a copy, mainly due to the warning being the same - it won't work in SP. Furthermore, these follow the SAME tutorials that he has on the site there. You don't have anything new at all by the looks of it, they are all the same.

Like i said before though - if people believe there to reasonable doubt - then i will delete or edit these posts to be less arguementative, but personally i think when someone writes a tutorial- it is for selfless reasons entirely, so therefore seeing someone copy, alter, then reproduce that work again and claim it is terrible.

ok, so i used Some of lordfjords tutorials but i made most of that Tutorial!
P.S lordfjord did a black hole tutorial?!? I made that myself! My tutorials may be similar but I MADE THEM! I DID! I DID!!!!

Edit:Are you just making me mad?!? Now your saying it's all lordfjords! It isnt!!!! STOP WINDING ME UP!!!!!

But the worst happened when Bargib started singing Campfire songs!-----Baptism of Fire



Edited by - Sir Milkshape on 13-10-2003 12:05:13

Number 1: I am not winding you up, you are winding yourself up. No, lordfjord didn't do the blackhole tutorial, it is in the link on the front page of imagines peice here, and it was written back in April.
Number 2: I see LordFjord also found your mega tutorial thread and seems to agree that it mirrors his work very very closely, down to the same words.

Now draw conclusions of what you like, but so far they do seem to be remarkably similar. I am not trying to make you mad, but am trying to help protect the integrity of tutorials from plain reproduction using their tutorials as the template.

If proven to be of your own writing and understanding then i am sorry, however,
Would you not wish someone to show immeditate concern if the tutorials in your thread appeared next week with someone elses name next to them? - or would you not care because the person in question complained about our accusations so we left him with the work instead?. If you have nothing to be worried about, then be patient and you will be cleared after people take a look and deam it yours.


*edit* - by the way, am not actually saying anything wrong about the costume and weapons ones, its the faction, system and blackhole tutorials i am looking at mainly - just to clarify for you.

After all - when writing stuff, we usually take things from our own ini files and use those examples instead. That is why i am so suspect of the blackhole one. If you really found out how to do that yourself without the other tutorial, then you would have NOT made the mistake with the zones. If you are copying from your files, the mistake with the zones would NOT be their either. However, the zone IS identical to the original tutorial, and you also use very similar or identical names for it too. That is what i am pointing out here, nothing more about the blackhole one. About the faction and system - well, i sugest you take that up with Lord Fjord instead of me - as it looks like his work. By this i mean the same words and other things. If it is his work, i suggest that:

1) You ask him to be able to put it here.
2) You put in bold letters at the top the source of this tutorial - with a link to his website etc, and make credits to the author
3) You make a noticeable 'disclaimer' stating that it isn't your own work there at all.

because you are saying you wrote 75% of it, but the 25% that isn't yours still has no credit for the original author there.

Edited by - chips on 13-10-2003 15:33:55

I don't really look at this database, i just make sure that imagine puts my tutorials on it so others can use it.

But the worst happened when Bargib started singing Campfire songs!-----Baptism of Fire