Ranpostgen wrote:

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- Mollies have no allies

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They may not have any allies listed on their inforcard information, but according to empathy.ini, killing Mollies will lower your rep with the Bundschuh, Unioners, Red Hessians, Liberty Rogues, Blood Dragons, Junkers, and the IMG.

Even worse, your reputation with almost all these factions will lower *much* faster than you will gain reputation with the Corsairs. For example, for every unit of rep gained with the Corsairs by killing Mollies, you lose *six* units of rep to the Unioners! The sole exception are the Rogues -- with them, you lose reputation at the same rate that you gain reputation with the Corsairs.

However, if you don't mind the ire of the other factions mentioned above, then it is true that killing Mollies will eventually get your rep up with the Corsairs.

-- The Haen.

0wn3d!

I never knew the in-game faction dossiers were so... crappy.

To sum up:

Corsairs are totally indifferent to whether you kill Xenos or whether you take missions for them. This is called lack of empathy (neither sympathy nor antipathy).

The same goes for the following factions:

BMM*
Armed Forces*
Bretonia Police*
Corsairs*
Daumann*
GMG*
Gateway*
IMG
Kruger*
Naval Forces*
Kusari State Police*
Planetform
Rheinland Military*
Rheinland Police*

Those marked with an asterisk will still shoot Xenos on sight despite their lack of empathy. This is because Xenos are considered Enemies and the Enemy/Ally attribute is separate from the empathy settings.

Any faction not listed above will by delighted more or less if you kill Xenos and you will improve your standing with them throug this. The three exceptions are:

Synth Foods
Xenos (obviously)
Zoners

These three factions have sympathy for the Xenos, and thus if you kill Xenos your reputation with them will turn worse.

not entirely correct.

Bundschuh is missing on that "i-like-the-xenos-list"

Ugh...sp00n beat me to it!

If you want a complete list of the empathy levels of the factions relative to each other, then check out my thread. This thread also gives other useful faction information, geared towards the RPGer.

It does not give the exact values on empathy.ini though, because it spoils enough as it stands. Nonetheless, it should still be very useful.

-- The Haen.

Hm. According to my spreadsheet Bundschuh have an empathy value of -0.05 with the Xenos, thus antipathy.

Just checked empathy.ini and there it also says so:

[RepChangeEffects
group = fc_b_grp
...
empathy_rate = fc_x_grp, -0.050000
...

Bundschuh thus fall under "Any faction not listed above will be delighted more or less if you kill Xenos and you will improve your standing with them through this. "


Edited by - Cham on 11-04-2003 19:21:27

Edited by - Cham on 11-04-2003 20:04:09

i went into rheinland to take a few snapshots to send to my friend who won't believe you can't go back into rheinland after sp, and i decided to have some fun with my sabre, and shot out two trains outta the space, and proceeded to take out the entire rheinland military and police. that made the hessians and the cosairs love me and drool over me in spite of their differences followed closely be the lane hackers, outcasts, and some others, all of them being criminals (who said they were?) but the bounty hunters are after me with voodoo magic... well, go kill house police. it'll help you with alot of the criminals.


presently, my world is upside down, so if u do not mind, u'll have to tok to my a$$

@Cham

LOL, that is interesting!
it seems that, if u do something "good" for the *bundschuh*, the xenos get angry (your quote is correct therefore)
BUT
if you do something "good" for the *xenos*, the bundschuh seems to appreciate this and therefore get friendlier!

[RepChangeEffects
group = fc_x_grp
...
empathy_rate = fc_b_grp, 0.100000
...


funny

Interesting. Seems empathy values -- at least in this one case -- aren't mutual.