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Anti-Virus software

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Post Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:55 pm

Anti-Virus software

To the computer guru's out there, what is the best Anti-Virus program currently out there? Right now I'm running a fairly old version of CA's eTrust Antivirus, as well as the free version of AVG.

I'm looking into purchasing a new setup, so I want to use what's best!

Thanks!

Post Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:27 pm

AVG is pretty damned good, and free. Avast wasn't bad either - and free.

After that you've gotta pay, and my friends swear by kaspersky. I'll stick with the free, as i've never had an issue with them at all - and never been infected with a virus.

The most important thing is just to surf safely and patch your windows up to date

Post Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:41 pm

Better knock on wood...

Sorry, couldn't help it.

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Hallowed are the Ori.

Post Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:53 pm

the best anti-virus/anti-spyware/anti-malware program hands down? firefox browser and thunderbird email client - firefox offers you lots of control over how you use it and it doesn't have any vulnerable active-x(run!) components, and thunderbird email has a perfect adaptive junk mail filter to protect against spam

i use avast and adaware - i tried three other malware programs recently and nothing is as comprehensive and well-polished as the combination of Spybot S&D(with teatimer resident), Avast AV, and Adaware

a good testament to Avast's well deserved reputation; i was running a new antivirus scanner and Avast's resident on-access protection caught a virus that it passed over without noticing. also, i haven't had any hijacks, infections, etc in more than a year

Post Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:36 pm

@Cold_Void-

I've been using Firefox and Thunderbird for well over a year now. Together they virtually eliminate spam and spyware (most of which is targeted to IE). Anything that seeps through is taken care of by AdAware, Spybot S+D, and whatever little good Windows (un)Defender does.

Good to hear about AVG's success. I'll give Avast a try as well.

Post Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:31 pm

I use McAffe, I think it's great!

Post Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:53 am

Kaspersky and don't even consider anything else (unless it's McAfee or BitDefender) and if you've got Norton, throw it in the bin, or give it to someone you don't like.

Ad-Aware, great product, love it, unfortunately it's standalone and on-demand only. Spybot S+D? don't use it myself but again a perfectly good product. AVG, good anti-virus (and free!) but not updated enough on the free version, and, plonker users won't bother to configure it properly, even if they bother to d/l it. And I've known people turn it off "because the thing I downloaded off the internet said to..." (dancing pigs usually) Avast I've never tried, to be honest, but I'll take your word for it!

AV-Comparatives is the place you should be looking for genuine and objective comparisons, not paid-blurb. You'll note that Kaspersky continually scores highly, 100% detection, 100% inoculation, and although other products like McAfee do almost as well on viruses and scripts, they don't do quite so well at trojans and malware (that's not a criticism, really; when you think about it, a true anti-virus won't necessarily do well against trojans, will it?) However it's trojans and e-mail worms that are the real threat these days, not "classic" viruses.

I have to puff my chest out a bit and say that as regards computer security, i do actually for once know what I'm talkin' bout, Willis; it's by far the biggest part (and headache) of my job as a sysadmin, or supprt monkey would be a better description. Users are complete idiots and will do anything to see a row of dancing pigs or rabbits no matter how many times I tell them not to open dodgy e-mails, "joke" attachments, stupid amusing pop-ups, and not to cancel system warning messages! hence why as part of the recent 2003 Server R2 upgrade/migration, I locked-down almost everyone as a group policy and took away almost all browser and write-to-registry permissions. They hate it, whine consistently, but it keeps them (and my network!) safe(r)

We use McAfee Enterprise over an 80-seat environment, centrally managed by me through Pilot Protection; it's good, catches viruses well, but I'm using a separate tool to check for e-mail, IM, and browser-borne spyware and trojans, and there's still a bit coming through, although nothing like as much as before Tawakalna the Fearless Virus Hunter got on the case. Hell's Bell's, does no-one have any grasp of what's going on but me? I tell people till I'm blue in the face about trojans, remote code execution, zombie networks, phishing and so on and so forth and no-one ever bloody listens. One of these days I will give in and just let them have free reign wit their stupid dancing animals and sit back and laugh while it all collapses round their ears, stupid b*ggers!

We also have a very good hardware firewall (Vigor 3600VG) but I want to either upgrade to the McAfee Integrated suite with anti-spam and anti-spyware, ot migrate 100% to Kaspersky Corporate (which I'd rather do, as Kaspersky is just that much "better" and more controllable - although it slows e-mail down significantly)

At home, I run Kaspersky 6.0 on every machine and believe me, I've tried a lot of AV and anti-spyware products and it's by far the best (although i still fondly remember old Dr Solomons/Magic Bullet- what a joy that product was!) I also run Zone Alarm Pro 6+ on my main machines and craptop, Vindoze Firewall (might as well, doesn't do much except enable uPnP) and I'm behind NAT with a stateful-packet-inspection hardware firewall with proper QoS. My wireless machines are all WPA-PSK protected although i think i might change that to 128-bit WEP and take the performance hit.

I recently tried out BlackIce as a software firewall, it's nay bad at all - but I'm staying with ZA Pro for now as I'm comfortable with it and it's superb at stopping SYN attacks (that's all that TCP flags -s stuff, but sometimes it's legitimate network traffic - check the source and destination IPs)

However, for all this rightfully-paranoid security, I'm stuck with users both at work and home who cannot deal with any other browser but IE. I use Opera, it does such a good job of displaying any site, except Microsoft! and it has slightly more functionality than Firefox, although I heartily commend anyone who does use Firefox or indeed classic Mozilla. If you're using IE, all I can say is don't! it's rubbish! no functionality and riddled with holes that MS keep patching on a weekly and sometimes daily basis - if it was any good, do you think they'd need to patch it all the time? Think about it; it's like using a bucket that's full of holes - why not just use a different bucket?

some people just won't or can't use anything else, so I sadly have to keep IE as default browser for the wife and kids - hence why I need superb AV/anti-spyware/firewall! However I've won the argument re: Lookout Express, which is now utterly verboten at home and at work - although at work they use Lookout in Office Pro, but it's better than OE5/6. Well done those men using Thunderbird! I'm slowly kicking people off MS products onto Open Office/Thunderbird mix, and once we got to our in-house developed apps, all in kiosk mode on browsers, we kinda won't even need Windows except as an o/s, and when you think about it, not at all really! I'd happily get rid of Exchange too and have a Linux-box as a mail-server. Still if it wasn't for MS I'd largely have nothing to do and the Tawakalnistani economy is well supplemented by dozy people who pay me for fixing their disastrously-virus and spyware ridden pcs when they collapse into smoking fragmented corrupted lumps of metal.

As regards P2P - Kazaa, Grokster, WinMX and pretty much all of them - utter rubbish and one of the major sources of computer insecurity and viruses/trojans - if you're going to P2P use a decent BiTorrent client (not BitLord! it's pants) and make sure you've got decent AV and a firewall like ZA running, espeically if you're going to forward your router ports for higher d/l speeds. The child is whining that I won't let him downlaod stuff yet - all his friends do- but all his friends have steaming heaps of junk that were once computers - he has a fast, safe, clean pc.

MSN is just as bad, along with AOL and Yahoo IMs - people should use a decent messenger utility like Trillian. Ever wonder why you hardly ever see me on MSN? because it's an insecure piece of kak! ever watched an MSN-borne virus-script propagate across the contacts list? it's terrifying in it's speed and you have no idea what the script is doing but it looks awful - you totally lose control of your pc and cant even kill the MSN utility. All from clicking on a link to take you to dancing pigs (or rabbits, or whatever.)

The biggest problem with computer security is the users - always have been, always will be - all we can do is try to ensure that they harm themselves as little as possible by as much passive and active security as we can put in, both at point of entry/perimeter and at desktop. Education doesn't work, so that's why we have to lockdown machines, workgroups and domains - because people can't be trusted or relied upon. Does your bank really e-mail you asking you for your password and account details? Is someone from Umboto Gorge really offering you $300 million in diamonds and oil stocks? Does a sexy blonde college student with a night-job as a lap-dancer from Nevada really want a date with you based on an MSN convo you can't even remember?

oh yeh i did have a point before I vented my spleen at the world's incompetent computer users (that'll be erm almost all of them then including my offspring) If you doubt the word of your Mullah that Kaspersky is as good as I say it is, considerest thou this; Kaspersky sold their AV engine, under licence, to Sybari Software Inc. Microsoft recently acquired Sybari in order to incorporate "Sybari's" AV engine into Vista. So Russian software is one of the critical components of MS' great leap forward! makes me smile anyway. Still, knowing that Kaspersky is going to be integrated into Vista makes me a lot more confident about MS' claims for Vista and that, for once, the hype might well be (mostly) true.



Edited by - Tawakalna on 9/16/2006 4:41:20 AM

Post Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:52 am

*Glances at Taw* Live OneCare AV has worked good so far, no complaints.

git

Post Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:39 am

mcafee 8 corp edition, and as someone allready said, "you get what you pay for"

www.kokrull.com/freelancer home of ** uk server **

Post Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:09 am


Live OneCare AV


that's not what you were saying the other day, is it? nevermind, you just carry on, till the next reformat and the next. how on earth could I possibly know what I'm talking about, I've only been doing this for 15 years.

[hmph} you people will never learn. carry on and get your viruses and trojans, see if i care.

Post Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:09 am

I've been using McAfee's Security Suite for yonks (includes firewall, anti-malware, anti-spam, etc.). It has stood me well over the years but I've been looking at making a change when I finally put my new rig together. Kaspersky has been my main interest but I haven't been disappointed by McAfee to actually spur me to make a change atm.

No worms ...ever and no viruses since 1999 ... but I did have a mild scare the other day when I ran a rootkit check. Turns out that it was my problem. Had a messy registry file with dead ends in it. Downloaded and ran some utilities suggested to me by the Rabbit and everything's fine now.

It's like everything else. You can try to have a lot of fun and worry about paying for the consequences later or you can be a little bit more moderate and take your enjoyments safely.

Post Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:52 am


Lookout Express

Best. Throwaway. Ever.

I've been using AVG Free and I can't complain. No viruses to speak of for a few years. I also use Sophos because I managed to get a free license from my dad's company. That's right, I'm a real tightwad.

Bizarrely, ZoneAlarm triggers a stop error on my computer whenever I try to run it. Oh well.


People who take drugs are bad.

Damn customs agents

Post Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:20 am

if you thought Lookout Express was a good one, "Internet Exploder" is even better!

Insurance Fella - yoo wanna watch stuff that the Wabbit gives you, it could be dangerous! I'll send you a nice link to some dancing animals if you like...

TET - the Sophos deal isn't bad, is it? free licences for home users if you buy for the corporate suite. I did consider it but even though it's a good AV, the reporting and central management are minimal and it still doesn't deal with spyware like Kaspersky does.



Edited by - Tawakalna on 9/16/2006 4:01:50 PM

Post Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:55 pm

Unlike one tea-towel bedecked personage, our polity is in relatively peaceful terms with the no-longer teenaged mutant ninja rabbit country.

Post Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:59 am

go and sell some insurance, bloodsucker. what are you doing messing with rootkits anyway? last i heard you were still defending WinME as the best operating system ever! why don't you nip down to Georgia and compare reformatting frequencies with the Bird-Man?

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