Yeah, ammonia is a bit of a beast to produce, but probably no more so than the process for refining petrol. Wonder what happens if you try and run one of these cars on cow sh*t...it is mostly ammonia after all...

Yo! I think you mean cow pee (urea - the chief solid component of mammalian urine; synthesized from ammonia and carbon dioxide and used as fertilizer and in animal feed and in plastics )...which is in most commercial fertilizers...

Well I actually read first about this on another forum, and thought it was interesting enough to post here. Strangely enough - the first comment was "cool, we could piss into the tank to refill it?"

"Kids! Go fuel up the car!" "Ok mom!"

sssssssssssss..........................

Anyway, this is a very exciting step forward. Maybe we WILL have hydrogen powered cars in the near future. God knows we need it, i mean, just look at gas prices. I see a future with smokeless cars.... fun fun fun! ^^

Yeah, but then we'd have to deal with the Gas Miners Guild hiking up the prices after a costly war.

haha

Really, in my point of view, this will only delay the inevitable. Any resource that we can use as fuel with unavoidably be exhausted. The only solution I can see is a power source that we don't have control over. Such as the sun for solar energy. And where are we getting all this hydrogen from? My guess is water with electrolosis, but I have no idea so someone tell me where we are getting it. And if it is water, yay, congratulations world, now instead of a little inconvienience you now are without water so you can drive places.

Edited by - Aravis on 9/10/2005 9:43:34 PM

Aravis, until we start using antimatter en masse, it seems unlikely that the total quantity of water in the world will be reduced, just redistributed. Besides with all the American Corporations pumping water out of the third-world countries to sell to us, I don't forsee us running short any time soon.

Aravis (Yay - no longer confused with Avis - egosoft forums!)

Electrolysis of water - using wind power to generate electricity (only issue being how on earth we will have enough wind power to generate enough electricity for every car to use Hydrogen?!

Gives us H2 and O2 anyways..

H2 burning in Oxygen will give us....... water.

100% renewable - you put energy in to get H2 out, then when its reacting with the Oxygen, you get energy back out to power your car.

Whats wrong with either using the same electricity generated by wind power to power electric cars - or the Hydrogen being used to generate electricity to power electric cars (although electricity generation by steam turbines has always been inefficient as heck!) instead - I don't know.

Still interesting stuff though....

The antimatter should be the answer to all charms.....bleh - they say to create the amount of antimatter to weigh just half a gram would take 26 million billion years - at the current rate of production. That amount of antimatter wouldn't power too much either (i think it was 21.6 Terra Joules of energy it produces if memory serves me correctly... yes its alot of energy, but with that time scale - you could generate that much energy yourself!)



Edited by - Mike G on 9/11/2005 7:19:08 AM

Well, anti-photon does exist, so it shouldn't be too long.....

To the point of getting hydrogen out of water... only about... oh i think its 5% of the earth's water is actually drinking water, and the rest is yucky salt water. 326 million cubic miles, thats how much water there is on earth. I don't think we'll be using that up anytime soon

LOL the guy in the pic looks like he's making meth

unfortunately thats not quite true mike g you stiil lose energy during the conversion prosscess what we need is a substance that converts into something with absolutly no energy loss. alas there is nothing and/or no way that we know of.

the path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and of the tryannys of evil men.blessed is he who, in the name of chariety and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brohers keeper and the finder of lost children. and i will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poisen and destroy my brothers. and you will know my name is the lord when i lay my vengeance upon thee

Erm, which conversion process are you talking about?