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What the bleep do we know?

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Post Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:48 pm

What the bleep do we know?

Over the weekend I saw this film. It's about quantum mechanics and is pretty cool. It basically justifies the philosphy of the Matrix with science, saying this world is only what we make of it. Some cool stuff in the film were ice crystals that changed dramatically after being blessed and a story about native americans being unable to see columbus's ships because they had never seen a clipper before. Anyone else here see the movie? And what are your opinions on it? I felt it was a load of bull, because you can believe that the rock doesn't exist, but it would make your toe hurt any less when you hit it. --- VH16

I am Nobody; Nobody is Perfect; Therefore, I am Perfect

Aod

Post Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:57 pm

sorry in Hengishland it dosent even exist yet

Post Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:13 pm

i've never seen this film, so with your logic, i can never see this film.

Post Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:25 pm

quantum physics makes my head hurt..

Post Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:45 pm

you have stumbled on a path to wisdom something we study in philsophy courses at my school at my grade i would tell you what i think but i will only tell it via email cus i dont feel like posting something long and having everyone bug me about it

Post Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:02 pm

OMG, a thread about quantum mechanics...*sigh* calm down kiddies...I guess your talking about probabilty waves, about particles in a state of being here or there according to probabilty, until we actually observe (take measurements) of it where they become here and not there, and their probability wave collapses elswhere and shoots up to 100 percent to where it is observed? Although there is definantly something there scientists aren't decided as to what this actually means, its called the quantum measurement problem I beleive.

Anyway, has anyone ever looked into the photon (or whatever particle) beam splitter experiments, where photons are fired at say a cardboard wall with 2 slits, one left side on right side, and behind that there is a screen that records where the photons hit. It is found that the photons build up an interference pattern on the screen (some light strips, then a dark strip, then a light strip etc) which shows that they are moving through either slit as a wave, and the peaks and troughs of each wave cancel out each other as they mingle with each other.

However if you slow the firing to the rate of a SINGLE photon of say one every phew seconds, over time it will build up an interference pattern. How can this be? What is causing the interference if only one particle is fired at a time? Well the answer is thought to be probability waves, and it can be said that the particle goes through *both* slits! However, if we want to see which one it went through and set up detectors over each slit to find out wether the particle went through the right slit or the left slit, then we would find that the photons DO NOT BUILD UP THE SAME INTERFERENCE PATTERN as if they would if they were not observed. To counter this, how about we put the detectors far away from the slits, and turn them off until after the particles have gone through the slits, then turn them on. Well we would still find that it does not build up an interference pattern, its as if the past was altered!

Now lets say we do something different, lets say instead of detecting the particle as it goes through a slit, we just label it as say either Left or Right as it passes through the left or right slit. (in real life this is done by altering the particles spin) now because we have observed it, the particle ceases to act like a wave and acts like a particle, so it would not build up an interference pattern. However, say we were to erase the labels, left or right, just before it hits the detector screen. Well since the particles have already passed the split as particles, we cannot expect them to build up an interference pattern, as it needs to act like a wave and go through both slits. However, it DOES build up an interference pattern, even though it could be LONG after it passed the slits! Why does it change like this, just because we observe it?
(remember this is all confirmed by experiments, the only things uncertain is WHY this happens)
Now quantum entanglement, theres another........*no* ok I should shut up now, I could go on all day!

Edited by - Griffon_26 on 9/15/2004 8:02:47 PM

Post Wed Sep 15, 2004 10:42 pm

Wasn't the topic of discussion about a film?

Never heard of it!

Post Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:47 pm


i've never seen this film, so with your logic, i can never see this film.

I think, by that logic, the film does not exit!

Post Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:58 pm

if no one is observing the film right now, its particles do not exist to *anyone*, it can only be said that they are *probably* there

Post Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:17 am

Griff - But if we *were* to check to see which particles went through which hole, then wouldn't we be changing the outcome by measuring it?

Post Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:38 am

here is my theory i decied to post it after all.

okay so there is a dumpster at the end of the street, you are walking down the street. you do not see the dumpster yet. not lets say you truly do not believe in a dumpster you are 100% sure there is no such thing as a dumpster. when you walk by the dumpster do you see it? yes and no! you do not see a dumpster, but you do see the item. okay i explained that bad. you dont see the dumpster as a dumpster you do not think i is a item for holding trash. you see it as something else that you beleive in. so i do not believe in god! if i ever saw god i wuld not go "oh hey its god after all" i would either call it a alien/angel/budda becuase i believe in those things and not in god

Post Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:59 am

@griffon, you're talking about alternate universes from what i caught the jist of in the first paragraph. skipped the rest. stick to the topic..... and getting a bit show-offy aren't we ?

which brings me to the fact that i've forgotten what the topic was about.. or it never existedd at all.. which means its a mystery to where im posting all this, for all i know, it might go to jupiter! i gotta check after i post. so that the probability wave shoots up to 100% right ? imho that stuff is bull.

Edited by - kimk on 9/16/2004 6:01:55 AM

Post Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:19 am

So, if a tree falls in the woods.....

Post Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:44 am

kind of spam but why didn't you just post this in the c.a.n.t. it's pretty much the "general discussion thread" and/or the "joke thread"

I am the signature virus! Copy me into your signature so that I can take over the world! Moohahahee!

Post Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:40 pm

paralell universes are one explanation, where each infinite probability is played out in infinite paralell universes. Its only one of the many theories though.

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