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There Are At Least 3 Planets In Our Universe Close To Earth'

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Post Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:04 pm

There Are At Least 3 Planets In Our Universe Close To Earth'

They've found three planets out there that are close in size to our own.

That's a far cry from proving that there is extraterrestrial life BUT we now know that there are extraterrestrial versions, in size, of Earth.

Post Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:04 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/01/natio ... lanet.html


3 Planets Are Found Close in Size to Earth, Making Scientists Think 'Life'
By DENNIS OVERBYE

Published: September 1, 2004

The universe looked a little more familiar and friendlier yesterday.

The roll call of planets beyond the solar system swelled significantly with the announcement of a trio of newly discovered worlds much smaller than any previously discovered around other stars. The masses of these new planets are comparable to those of Neptune or Uranus in our solar system, ranging from about 14 to 20 times the mass of Earth.

The previous planets found around living stars other than the Sun have been giants like Jupiter or Saturn, at least 50 times the mass of Earth, composed of gas at crushing pressures and scorchingly high temperatures and unlikely abodes for life. Astronomers said the new planets might be "ice giants" like Uranus and Neptune, or even giant hunks of iron and rock dubbed "super-Earths."

Like those previously discovered planets, the new ones are circling too close to their stars to be viable for life. But their discovery, astronomers said, is an encouraging sign that planets are plentiful and varied in the galaxy and that a new generation of planet-hunting space missions planned for the next decade will find planets as small as Earth.

"We're getting closer to answering the golden question of whether there is life out there," said Dr. Geoff Marcy, an astronomer and longtime planet hunter at the University of California, Berkeley. "We're trying to find our own roots, chemically and biologically, in the stars."

Dr. Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institution of Washington said, "We are prepared unexpectedly for the next step in planetary science, finding truly Earth-mass planets."

One of the new planets is part of a system around a star 55 Cancri, already known to harbor three larger planets, making it the first quadruple-planet system to be found beyond the solar system, and a likely target for research. Dr. Barbara McArthur of the University of Texas said, "We're on the way to finding the first extra-solar planet Earth, and it's an exciting road to be on."

Dr. Butler and Dr. McArthur were the leaders of two overlapping teams who announced the discovery of two of the planets at a news conference at NASA headquarters in Washington yesterday.

A third team, composed of European astronomers led by Dr. Michel Mayor of the Geneva Observatory in Sauverny, Switzerland, announced the discovery of a third small planet in a news release issued last week from the European Southern Observatory, a consortium based in Garching, Germany, which operates telescopes in Chile.

A pair of papers by the American teams have been approved for publication in the Astrophysical Journal in December. The European group has submitted a paper to Astronomy and Astrophysics.

Other astronomers hailed the results as an example of how fast research is progressing. Dr. David Spergel, an astronomer from Princeton who is involved in a NASA project to find and study terrestrial planets, said: "This is an exciting result. Given the existence of these super-Earths, I am willing to bet that there are Earth-like planets around nearby stars."

Dr. Marcy said that as a result of the new work, he and his longtime collaborator Dr. Butler were revamping their planet searching strategy with the goal of finding planets as small as 10 Earth masses or less, before the space missions to find planets put them out of business.

Dr. Butler's team discovered a planet about roughly 20 times the mass of Earth, orbiting a star called Gliese 436, a reddish dwarf about 41 light years away in the constellation Leo, every 2.64 days. It was found as part of a survey of nearby stars using the giant 400-inch diameter Keck I telescope on Mauna Kea in Hawaii.

The second "Neptune" discovered, by Dr. McArthur's team, is about 18 Earth masses, the astronomers said. It was discovered by combining data obtained with the new 360-inch diameter Hobby-Eberly Telescope at the University of Texas with observations from the Hubble Space Telescope and others. It circles 55 Cancri every 2.8 days, far inside the orbits of the other three Jupiter-like stars.

The European team asserted that they had found the lightest planet yet on record. It orbits the star mu Arae, in the constellation Ara, about 50 light years from here. It completes a revolution every 9.5 days.

The new planets join more than 100 others that have been detected around other stars in the past decade. Like a vast majority of their predecessors, they were discovered by the gravitational tugs they exert on their parent stars.

The gravitational wobble technique is most sensitive to giant planets orbiting lethally close to their stars - they give the biggest kicks - so it is not surprising that the first planets discovered were in such orbits, astronomers say. Longer observations are required to discern the effects of smaller planets in more comfortable orbits. Indeed, two of the new planets were discovered by continuing to refine the data from stars where giant Jupiter-like planets had already been detected.

Both the mu Arae systems and the 55 Cancri system were already known to have Jupiter-like planets. The 55 Cancri system has drawn interest because one of its "Jupiters" has an orbit, about 13 years in duration, similar to that of Jupiter in our own solar system.

Dr. McArthur, who has organized a campaign to study the 55 Cancri system, said: "This is the closest analogue we have to our solar system. All these things make it the premier laboratory for studying planetary systems."

The Gliese 436 discovery is important, astronomers said, because so-called red dwarfs are the most abundant stars in the universe. About 70 percent of the 200 billion stars in the galaxy are red dwarfs, known technically as M dwarfs, but because they are so dim, only a few percent as bright as the Sun, they are hard to study. The new planet is only the second one found around a red dwarf.

Dr. Spergel said, "The detection of these planets is definitely good news for T.P.F. The worry has been that we build this exquisitely powerful telescope and then find that there are no Earth-like planets for it to observe."

That worry now seems unnecessary. As Dr. Marcy said, "We can't see Earth-like planets yet, but we can see their big brothers."

Post Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:24 pm

A $55,000.00 question. How can they judge what they are looking at through a telescope and tell the size of it? Scientist, *shakes head*.

Edited by - Finalday on 9/1/2004 4:24:02 PM

Post Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:10 pm

Put physics and statistics in a blender, hit puree and that is how they can figure it out. It's not an exact science but it is a darn close one.

Post Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:21 pm

I was just reading about this in the paper, kind of interesting. I think I heard the one by gleise is 20 times heavier than Earth, but I'm not sure how they measur ethat.

Post Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:53 pm


Put physics and statistics in a blender, hit puree and that is how they can figure it out


thats exactly how, in a nutshell, they do it, stinger

since planets are usually too darned small, in comparison, to their parent stars/dwarfs, and get outshined, they have to be found noting their gravitational effects that they have on the behavior of the parent star, in comparison to what its (parent star's) behavior would be like in the absence of any satellites.

its sort of like this. out at sea, you dont know where the rocks are, cause they're all sub-surface. but you see how the waves sort of break over them? you avoid those cause those are most likely rocks, subsurface stuff, or big fishes. things you dont want to hit in your life raft.

and they have to do alot of number crunching and bajillion bucks worth of 'perfect' equipment to detect the subtle effects that earth-sized/mass planets have on the parent star. essentially you're sticking physics and statistics in a blender and hitting puree.

Post Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:02 pm

I'm sure by the time I'm 50 we'll have found a planet suitable for life, and maybe even primitive life on them. But I still don't think we'll find a planet any time in the distant future with advanced life. If they were close enough for us to discover they'd have found us by now.

The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary. - James D. Nicoll

Edited by - fish4198 on 9/1/2004 11:02:26 PM

Post Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:13 am

I heard about that, and it is good news. Still, we have a long way to go before we start concluding that we are "not alone" .

Post Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:46 am

even if they're teeming with life, which they're prob not, what difference does it make? we can't get there.

and just cos a planet is Earth size, doesn't mean it's anything like Earth. Venus is Earth size, but you wouldn't want to live there. Indigenous life is prob a much rarer thing than you might care to imagine.

Post Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:32 am

Well, we really don't know anything until we get there, and like you said Taw, we can't. Not for a long time.

Post Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:43 am

all they need to do is figure out how to harness antimatter energy. then build a drive for practical purposes and build a ship for it. either that, or figure out how to make ships that last pretty much forever and fit uber advanced cryogenic freezers on them. this just takes longer to get there but the technology is within grasp.

i think we'll be starting interstellar travel soon. this century.

Post Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:44 am

Its also in the newspaper today that Seti has recieved a radio transmission originating from over 31 million years ago from over 182.9Trillion miles away. It was picked up by Arecibo.

Post Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:27 am

From what I understand, cryogenics is a failure in terms of human use. So, that type of long sleep would be impractical.

Post Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:30 am

Dammit Bret Bretonian beat me to it!!

yep - in papers, possible (read possible) contact has been recieved!

zlo

Post Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:43 am

Are they sure the radio transmission is of artificial origin? I haven't read the article, so my knowledge is limited here.
Totally OT: Taw, does your new nick incidentally have any link to Phil Dick?

Life is sexually transmitted

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