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Rilms, are you being serious? that's the iridium layer left over from the asteroid that killed off the dinosaurs.

As to the Flood (the biblical one) I take it we've all heard of the research in the Black Sea basin that indicates that there was a sudden deluge in early historical times, the inundation of Black Sea region by the Mediterranean* (did we discuss this in Eskie's Atlantis thread, or was that Ed?) Simply put, there was a flood, it wasn't worldwide, it was regional to the Eastern Med and Middle East, and it's ethnocentricity and the exaggeration of myth that's turned this into a worldwide flood, but it was devastating. What the truth is of the Noah legend will prob never be found out, but i'm not gonna deny there was a deluge of some form and that someone was the basis for the Noah story. Don't forget the same story (better told ) is in the Epic of Gilgamesh, and of course there's the Greek and Roman myth of Deucalion and Pyrrha.

*two different types of water in the Black Sea, the top layer
is the stuff from the Med, the bottom layer is the original.

Edited by - Tawakalna on 4/28/2004 11:46:18 AM

@Taw,

I thought RILMS was making a funny, you know, ring as in bathtub?

well i thought he was having a laugh too, I can't beleive he meant it..

I guess I hear wrong...but thats what I was taught...

Life: No one gets out alive.

Oh dear. RILMS, its what Taw said, it is about an asteroid strike.

what it is, RILMS, is that 65million years an dense asteroid hit the Earth in the region where the Yucatan peninsula in Mexico is now. the asteroid exploded on impact and the debris thrown up cooled the Earth, darkened the skies and in the process killed off the dinosaurs and many other life forms (but mammals survived and eventually turned into us ) As the heavier debris that covered the Earth in the atmpshere eventually fell back, so much of it fell that it forms it own geological strata layer, the so-called Iridium boundary layer, thus called because it is rich in the rare metal iridium, which occurs elsewhere only as scarce limited veins in rock formations, but at this stratum is spread evenly across the earth. under it, ie earlier, are many fossils of the creatures of the Cretaceous period, dinosaurs and the like. Above it, ie after it, the fossil record is scarce for a long time and only has smaller species that could survive in a denuded environment, until the evolutionary niches that had previously been occupied by the dinosaurs could be filled by new adaptations.

so it's the debris from an asteroid strike in the Caribbean 65million years ago, ok? I promise

Taw - The "Atlantis" thread was Indy's, and I love Gilgamesh! I find it interesting that this particular area has been left out of my education. You would have thought that I would have seen, heard, watched, or read about the Ark's location postulated to be in Turkey. It's a bit odd actually; I guess I don't know everything .

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congratulations on this year's most original thread (imho)...[

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High praise! Still, it's early days yet. Let us know if you find anything interesting during your research.

Taw (again)- You seem to spend a lot of time speaking to your wife. Isn't that unusual in a marraige? I thought that husbands were supposed to spend most of their time away from the famliy down at the local pub .

we talk about all sorts of things, Eskie. tis called "marriage" I'm lucky to be married to a woman who actually enjoys this stuff (but not as much as shopping still you can't have everything! j/k)

as far as the Ark is concerned, the OT states that the Ark came to rest on the mount called Ararat. notice despite popular imagery of the Ark perched ludicrously on the peak, the Bible makes no mention of this, it merely says, came to rest. that's significant I'm surprised with you having a Catholic education, you'd have remembered it was Ararat? oh well. other places have been ascribed to it, other peaks in the same region and in the Caucasus, Iran's Elburz mountains, Lebanon, the Himalayas(oh yes) Easter island, Greenland, North America and Atlantis. But Ararat having the provenance of scripture has always been the traditional and most widely preferred site. There's always some Ark study going on on or around the mountain, "around" when the Turks have their occassional spats and ban access for a while.

I strongly suggest you read Julian Barnes novel "The History of the World in 9 1/2 chapters" if you haven't already; you'll love it (promise ) and to watch the animé film "Spriggan" well for an Ark related escapist action romp really!


Edited by - Tawakalna on 4/28/2004 4:28:11 PM

Taw - I've seen "Spriggan" in the video shop actually; I was wondering what it was about.

Also, I should probably state that while I did have a Catholic education (and have been through Communion, etc), we (that is my school) didn't spend much time reading the Bible. We were supposed to, and they tried to make us buy copies, but we rarely used them in class. Most of the indoctrination focused upon understanding and obeying the rules laid down therein. I never should have studied the Bible when I was in my final years; I fear that I have grown cynical .

Edited by - esquilax on 4/28/2004 5:34:52 PM

you must have had a children's bible around somewhere? I got one very dam year for Christmas. by the time I was 11 i had a whole rack of them, it's the kind of thing catholic relatives buy you when they dont really know you but want to butter up your mum and dad cos your dads a big noise at church.

Spriggan is excellent, Ararat really does look like that (apart from the cyborgs) and if there is something on Ararat, why not some bizarre ancient artifact of incredible power? like I say, I dont know whats up there, no idea, but there is something, and I'll be amazed if its a gopher-wood boat full of hippopotamus pooh; there is def more to the whole thing than the bible story tells us.

here's a linky

Edited by - Tawakalna on 4/29/2004 1:40:17 AM

I have a number of Bibles around here, but I'm not in the mood to read them today .

Well, if those are Catholic bibles, i.e. Douay version, etc., you'll miss out on the nice writing you'd find in a King James ... but the story is there. - Genesis 6

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There are more digs now in Georgia that may yet uncover some more interesting tidbits from 10,000+ years ago which may plug in a few jigsaw puzzle pieces but also point to more open questions. I think it is very exciting. The pity is that Georgia is still unstable and the funding is rather scarce.

Edited by - Indy11 on 4/29/2004 5:03:47 AM

bizarrely, in ancient times Georgia was called Albania (as well as Colchis) and it was next door to Iberia (which is also what Spain was called) and the Pillars of Hercules were originally the Dardanelles, not the Straits of Gibraltar. Confusing, huh?