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I''m Transferring The Amount To Your Neural Net Now

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Post Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:45 pm

I''m Transferring The Amount To Your Neural Net Now

I always find it very interesting when it looks like fact is catching up to science fiction.

Here's a little something about brain implants, see post below.



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Post Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:46 pm

From the NY Times.

With Tiny Brain Implants, Just Thinking May Make It So
By ANDREW POLLACK

Published: April 13, 2004

Can a machine read a person's mind? A medical device company is about to find out.

The company, Cyberkinetics Inc., plans to implant a tiny chip in the brains of five paralyzed people in an effort to enable them to operate a computer by thought alone.

The Food and Drug Administration has given approval for a clinical trial of the implants, according to the company.

The implants, part of what Cyberkinetics calls its BrainGate system, could eventually help people with spinal cord injuries, strokes, Lou Gehrig's disease or other ailments to communicate better or even to operate lights and other devices through a kind of neural remote control.

"You can substitute brain control for hand control, basically," said Dr. John P. Donoghue, chairman of the neuroscience department at Brown University and a founder of Cyberkinetics, which hopes to begin the trial as early as next month.

The melding of man and machine has long been a staple of science fiction. Indeed, the participants in Cyberkinetics's clinical trial, who have not yet been chosen, will have a cable sticking out of their heads to connect them to computers, making them look something like characters in "The Matrix."

But in real life, several research groups have already implanted devices in monkeys that allow them to control cursors on computer screens or move robot arms using their brainpower alone, setting the stage for the trial in people.

"Among many people in the field, there's a feeling now that the time is here for moving the technology to test in humans," said Dr. Richard A. Andersen, professor of neuroscience at the California Institute of Technology, who is working on his own device for the brain. Still, for the trial, there is trepidation mixed with anticipation.

"A disaster at this early stage could set the whole field back," said Dr. Dawn M. Taylor, a research associate at Case Western Reserve University and the Cleveland Veterans Affairs Medical Center, who is testing similar systems in monkeys.

Devices have long been implanted in the brains of patients with Parkinson's disease to deliver pulses of electricity that reduce tremors and rigidity.

But systems like BrainGate do not deliver current.

Instead, they listen to the electrical signals produced by the brain's neurons as they work. The aim is to discern a pattern of neuronal activity indicating the intention to initiate a particular physical movement.

In typical monkey trials of neural implants, the animals, which are not paralyzed, are trained to perform a task, like moving a cursor with a joystick, while a tiny subset of their neurons is monitored.

After different patterns of neuronal signals are matched with different body movements, cursor control is shifted to their brains.

In some studies, the monkeys eventually appeared to realize that they no longer had to move their arms to perform the tasks.

In a sense, this is a form of mind reading, scientists say. But in addition to passively letting its thoughts be read, the brain also learns to control the cursor actively, just as it acquires any new skill.

The quadriplegics in the trial will not be able to move their arms to train the system, making things a little harder. Instead, they must imagine moving their arms.

Researchers have already shown that this can be done. Dr. Philip Kennedy, a neurologist in Atlanta who started Neural Signals Inc., implanted electrodes into several severely disabled people starting in 1996, and at least one could type through this method, though only three words a minute.

Some other implants have been tested briefly on people undergoing brain surgery for other reasons. Dr. Jonathan R. Wolpaw of the New York State Department of Health has developed a system that does not require implants but uses electroencephalography to pick up brain waves using sensors attached to the scalp.

Though Cyberkinetics is not the first to try neural control in people, it seems the most intent on bringing a product to market, perhaps by 2007 or 2008, said its chief executive, Timothy R. Surgenor.

Started in 2001 and based in Foxborough, Mass., the company has raised $9 million for the project.

Edited by - Indy11 on 4/12/2004 7:46:07 PM

Post Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:05 pm

We are the borg?

Life: No one gets out alive.

Post Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:17 pm

no rilms, the borg was originally a COMPLETELY robotic race that infecsted the human race and zombified them, this is cybernetic augmentation, and fairly advanced at that...

Post Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:23 pm

Sounds like Deus Ex. This leads me to believe that games are the future.

Post Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:18 pm

It took them long enough! I'm getting sick of all these damn credit cards!

Oh no, I sound like Taw! Help!

Post Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:33 pm

Coming soon- Virtual Reality PCs, Televisions and, inevitably, brothels.

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Post Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:07 am

I read about this some time ago, and some similar research with disabled folks, and the prospect terrifies me, it truly does. It's the first step to becoming something like the Borg.

You might mock, Esq, but this evil technology is going to be taking your life over one day in the not too distant future, then you'll see I was right and you wished you'd listened to me. Maybe if and when the human resistance eventually overthrows the tyranny of technology, you might be freed, but don't count on it.

Edited by - Tawakalna on 4/13/2004 1:39:36 AM

Post Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:19 am

eventually, we are going to follow one of threee paths:

We blow ourelsves up, or some other stellar misfortune kills off the entire human race

We take to the stars

We build 'The Matrix' and strand ourselves on this planet because we done NEED to leave, everything is supplied from human heat and simmulations are fed into the brain to replace the outside world

Post Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:43 am

Your getting paranoid in your old age... . Still, I agree somewhat; I have the sneaking suspicion that Gattaca is just around the corner .

Post Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:57 am


no rilms, the borg was originally a COMPLETELY robotic race that infecsted the human race and zombified them, this is cybernetic augmentation, and fairly advanced at that...
This is untrue, as in the basis The Borg are Living Matter augmented by Cybernetical implants. a Robotical "organism" can live without organic material, the Borg cannot. (For reference, see: Star Trek, First Contact).

As for the whole Brain thing, I'd have to see it to Believe it really, its a beautifull concept, but the Computer of Today is not strong enough for such Calculations that Come With it, the Human Brain is stronger then all the Computers on this world combined together, and what seems to be a simple task, like lifting the arm, will actually fry out most of the computers in the process, just because of the complexity of the Calculations.

The Computer necessary to make this kind of Calculations, must be able to handle these kind of Calculations any time at a seconds notice.

Post Tue Apr 13, 2004 3:23 am

Supposedly, if a computer where built with as much power as a human brain, with todays technology, it would have to be taller than the empire state building

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Post Tue Apr 13, 2004 7:13 am

Well, we're only at the "augmentation" stage, not the replacement stage. Cybernetic augmentation of the brain.

It creeps me out because I am a paranoid and I would not be able to trust that what they put in my head was purely for my use. I would be convinced that they had stuck extra things into my head so that the government or "they" could control me.

On the other hand, to have an on-board gps/comm link isn't such a bad thing. I like internal modems so this would be like that I guess.

Post Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:12 am

@ff - depends whose brain it is

Post Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:48 am

@ taw, the average human brain

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