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Post Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:00 pm

As much as this thread has made my head hurt(it's only 3 pages!)I feel i must make a reply. I'm not sure if this has to do anything with the topic. We must realize that the creation of anything is very strange, where did it all start?We can't really say there was a Big Bang because we need to have an actual time and place of existence for this to happen. So possibly our universe was created by an omni-powerful being. But if there is an omni-powerful being how did he/she get started?Maybe we were created by a being in a larger universe around ours to test something that may be happening in their's(i.e. The Big Freeze, contraction, colliding of parralell universes, etc). There may have been a nothingness and it decided to create something, but how you create something out of nothing is unkown to me. I would try to continue this but the right side of my brain is hurting really bad. Well i hope this does something.

Edited by - jagged on 4/5/2004 11:01:11 PM

Post Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:13 pm

good point, what created the creator?
Whatever created something had to have come from something, and whatever that came from had to come from something, and so forth...

Good effort of CyberNecromacy by the way, i would be VERY surprised if this gets locked, it inputs some good points
Well Done!

Post Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:16 pm

Cool. I actually made a point. Better stop posting might be spam or something.

Post Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:41 am

if time is (by our theory) infinite in both directions, go back a billion billion years. what was there? probably nothing right? well whats before that? there is no start and no end. doesnt that freak the **** out of anyone else?

Post Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:33 am

Not really. Modern science does not and can not map the origins of life. Simply because it cannot map itself and so see the underlieing order to the chaos.

Post Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:17 am

well appart from you, does it freak anyone else out?

Post Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:59 am

@Archie,

The little bits of String Theory that I got has an explanation which may be of some consolation. This is the version in which there are 11 dimensions and in which we are in a multiverse. Each universe is a "strand," as defined by the theory (which I am unable to explain).

The Big Bang, as we know it from our 4 dimensional perspective, is suggested to have been a momentary event in which two strands fleetingly "touched" each other and thus propogated another strand.

In this model, there was no "nothingness" and our universe did not come from nothingness.

In religiouis terms this general outlook is most closely analogized by the Rig Veda, the great body of hymns from the Hindu faith. Buddhism also has a theme that is similar (as it should as it originated within the Hindu culture).

Judaeo-Christian and some other faiths, more or less, endorse the something from nothing notion of the Big Bang and, or course, interpose the Supreme Being as that which was the ultimate force which superseded nothingness... so that, essentially, there never was nothing.

Post Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:07 am

"field of potential"

Post Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:14 pm

So two strands touched each other apparently to create our universe. Then that must mean there are universes older than ours. Also where did the material come from for creating everything in our universe today? I'm a bit new on this topic so might not give the best things out.

Post Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:26 pm

In my ideas, there was never a nothingness. The laws of conservation of mass and energy would be disproved if there was never the same amount for all eternity in either direction. Then you would, uh, i'm shutting up now. This is all beyond me.

Signature? What's that?

Post Wed Apr 07, 2004 12:35 am

Well if the Big Bang did start as you suggested Indy, then there would have to be other universes, because if one such event could occur, it would of course be entirely possible (even likely) that it would occur a second+ time.

Post Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:09 am

wow this is the sort of stuff i want on the off-topic!

Btw what happens if these "other universes" sent something to make the Big Bang? perhaps there so much "older"/wiser they can make / create universe. I find it amazing/weird.... that it was so accurate to create us.

Btw if anyone from the UK has seen any of the Horizon specials... there was one about other universes. I tihnk it inclduded the string theory and that it was wrong, becasue it was missing a universe or something. I think it wasnt "mathamaticly" correct... so they mixed it with another theory. And it was balanced....

I might be way off here, but if i get any more info... im SURE to post it here.

Post Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:09 am

In String Theory - this is not my suggestion. It is a theory and not my theory (I'm no A. Elk ). We are in a MULTIverse. This means MANY universes. So yes, there are many other universes in this theory.

And yes there are many other strands or universes that pre-exist our particular strand or universe. One problem is that we are limited in our perception of things so far as we only see things in 4 dimensions. So, yes, from a 4 dimensional standpoint, there are many older universes than ours and, to us, the age of things holds a tremendous amount of significance. From an 11 dimensional standpoint, however, this viewpoint would change. For all we know, even before the Big Bang, our universe's existence was manifested in other ways other than simply the 4 dimensions that we know.

Post Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:17 am

Hmm... if we were created by other universes.... what created them

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Post Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:28 am

@~Cor

Well. That's the point of String Theory. You're thinking in 4 dimensions and are relegated to looking at things from a "beginning to end" prespective as we, none of us, physically can see anything else. Imagine a setup in which time is just one of 11 dimensions and which only plays a part in the scheme of existence but does not have controlling power to define existence. Imagine infinity, if you will.

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