Edgar Cayce had his sights set on the bimini's off the coast of florida.
Me,...naw, I'm prone to think that maybe we've already found it and don't even know what it is we've found yet.But if we really want to know we'd have to pin down the Egyptian Priest or teachers of the Egyptian Mystery Schools that originally conveyed the whole tale of Atlantis to Solon, who then carries the tale to Dropides who turns out to be something like the great grand-pa of Criteas who then eventually tells the tale to Socrates during a conversation they were having related to Ideal societies or some such thing. The Story's been around the block a few times and likely it had grown a bit in the time it took to get from the source all the way to Socrates' ears, besides, Any artifacts under the water for nine hundred centuries are bound to be either completely destoyed or so far beyond even the remotest chance of recognition for what they are that we've lost forever any chance at recording this culture well before the time the dialogues of Criteas & Timaeus were written by Plato.
However many cultures still being learned about today have amazingly long memories thanks to having spoken histories. Perhaps Plato was paraphrasing what he could remember from listening to one such culture's histories through the story as spoken in those dialogues? Certainly CAyce was a little further away from the pillars of Hercules than I'd deem safe for "guessing" as to where the lost continent to be.
Personally the whole thing reeks of a parable to me, and the last parable I ever heard left me wondering whether it was really safe to swallow a watermellon seed or not. So I'm not willing to try to follow the whole tale too closely.

Who can really say? Just don't sail the Bimini's in search of the Lost Continent of Atlantis. Too many planes and ships dissapear out that way.

The Atlantians dont like ships or planes blocking their perfect view in the Bermuda Triangle


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I am inclined to think ol Plato was making it all up. Great philosifer and all, must have wanted to be creative sometimes. Even so, he was more imaginative than I give anybody credit for back then.

Not to mention sinking cities are no rarity in the real world. Especialy really old ones. I myself haven't done enough study to have an opinion on any particular site, but I doubt we'll ever find out for shure one way or another.

Tragic really

a confusion of several different legends, including Troy.

Have not been interested enough in this to give a credible opinion, but i think it could've been any city (or even a village) destroyed by some natural disaster (especially in case initially told by some surviving witness to whom it should've been the end of the world, and later "decorated" by other story-tellers - same applies to the great biblical flood).

It's better to be a worldwide known drunkard than an anonymous alcoholic!

a volcano that spouted water drowned the city of atlantis and formed what we call the atlantic sea today (hence the name)

what a fascinating thread. Unfortunately I have very little knowledge of the subject (apart from of course what I've seen in old black and white movies ), but I would like to add one comment.

Our oceans are vast...and I believe I'm right in saying that what is underneath them has not been entirely mapped due to the sheer scale of it. If Atlantis did exist, and the remains are still at the bottom of the ocean somewhere, the likelihood of us finding them with our current technology is surely a virtual impossibility?

Interesting stuff though

shut up Atlantis hippy loonies!

as i said, try this..The Flood from Heaven by Eberhard Zangger

Zangger successfully embeds the search for Atlantis within a rigorously scientific archeological framework. The result is a startling conclusion: that the myth of Atlantis actually came from an ancient Egyptian interpretation of the Trojan War.

Most accounts of Atlantis were, and continue to be, written by amateur archeologists with a mystical bent; the result, of course, is speculation that is as much theology as science. A good example of the "mystic" orientation in most accounts of Atlantis is very well-known account of Atlantis was written by the "mystic" Edgar Cayce. Cayce predicted Atlantis would arise from the foam of the ocean sometime in the 1970s...alas, such is the condition of practically all written work concerning Atlantis.

Zangger's methodology is rooted in making inferences based on existing evidence--that is, he does not posit the existence of superconducting crystals which fired lasers into space! Rather, he approaches the topic as a scientific researcher who is deeply versed in the archeology of the region.

His work is original in that he draws new connections between previously discrete phenomena. For example, he uses his specialist's knowledge of the Trojan Plain's ancient appearance to construct a comparison between what the ancient Trojan Plain probably looked like and how the Egyptians described Atlantis (with many very intriguing parallels!). He makes many more connections between the specifics detailed in Plato's text and the condition of the Trojan Plain at the time of the Trojan War. The overall effect is powerful: I believe Zangger effectively answered the question of the location of Atlantis without resorting to mysticism.

..and that's that..

edit - in case you think Uncle Taw is way off on this one, consider this; when Plato wrote about Atlantis, he understood the Pillars of Hercules to be what we refer to as the Straits of Gibraltar, hence Atlantic for the Atlantic Ocean. BUT.. remembering that he is repeating a story handed down from his forbears which itself came from an Egyptian priest, in the earlier time that the retelling in Plato is supposed to have been set, the Pillars of Hercules actually referred to the Dardanelles. Also the descrption of the sea that surrounds Atlantis as muddy and still is more apt for the Black Sea (Pontus Euxinus), rather than the North Atlantic.

Anyone still wanna back the aliens theory?

btw welcome Phenobii to the ranks of the Iconoclasts

Edited by - Tawakalna on 2/11/2004 9:25:01 AM

Oh boy! I got some interest on this one.

Greetings Phenobii. Yes, indeed. Welcome to the OT iconoclasts.

@Taw

Interesting you mention the Black Sea as this tails us back to that other story,
the Gilgamesh, the Black Sea, etc., etc. I've only read a little bit about it but there were settlements on the Black Sea coast but, so far, nothing that really compares to the Atlantean hyperbole.

There are some interesting digs going on in Georgia, though, close by the Sea but not really on the current shore (shore lines do advance or recede over time).

I've not been able to get too much info on it.

you need to look into the Greek "dark ages," Ed. you'll see that you have several events going on all within the same time frame, gepgraphically ranging from the Black Sea through Asia Minor/Balkans to the Eastern Med and North Africa

the Trojan war ie war or series of wars between confederations of Greek states more or less evenly matched and lasting for a prolonged period with the social and economic stresses inevitable by such

denudation of land due to geological and climactic change, and deforestation

depopulation of agrarian areas and invasion/raiding by increasingly desperate hostiles

the inundation of the Black Sea itself and other instances of flooding eg the rise of the Persian Gulf and its subsequent recession.

other natural disasters like earthquakes and volcanos. It almost certainly wasnt Santorini that lay behind the original Atlantis story as we now know that Minoan civilisation was NOT wiped out at all, but ended later due to economic decline and the reasons ^above^ however there is a strong possibility that the idea of an exploding island got mixed up with the various strands of myth and got worked into the synthetic and entirely artificial Atlantis story we are so familiar with today thanks to confusion in ancient times and modern nutters and demagogues.

the truth is that there was a long period that we know almost nothing about from written sources and only have fragments of oral traditions which were i the main not even native and until recently little archaeological eveidence. However it now increasingly seems that what is blanketed under the Atlantis myth is an understandable confusion of sources and legends arising out of this period of "blank" history. imagine if we only knew of the fall of the Roman Empire and the Middle Ages from Chinese or Indian sources, as an analogy. see, no need for aliens


Edited by - Tawakalna on 2/11/2004 10:34:48 AM

Great. Everything's been said; again! Damn different time zones! Oh well, I wish that the History Department at Melbourne Uni had accepted my idea to create a History subject on this very topic. Then I would have more to say. Still, I would agree that the legend of Atlantis would seem to be based upon facts that are unprovable as they have been lost in the mists of time (as they say), and that we do not even have a specific location explicitly mentioned in historical texts that agree with other accounts. Therefore, unless you would like to search for "The Lost Dialogues" of Plato , then we'll have to chalk it up as another myth.

ok, what about the lost continenet of Mu, then?



Edited by - Tawakalna on 2/11/2004 4:34:22 PM

>>>>Edit, changed thread name to expand to include Mu, Lemuria, Thule, etc.<<<

<MU>

Ugh. Too much EvD type stuff on Mu..... Cannot digest the dross..... cannot cull the archaeological facts.

But it all seems to start with Churchward reading some clay tablets belonging to a Rishi temple that originate from Naacal Raman times? Where are these tablets today?

Let's assume that there was no actual supercontinent in the middle of Pacific that sank underwater some 25,000 years ago. The last Ice Age ended about 11,000 years ago. When the sea level was lower, there may have been more islands in the Pacific and some of the Islands we know today may have been larger but I am having difficulty bridging the 14,000 year gap between the last Ice Age and the fall of Mu.

<Greek Dark Ages>
Am looking for stuff ATM.

Edited by - Indy11 on 2/11/2004 6:34:43 PM

you guys are a joke, like you ever went to find out for yourselves. yoiu just read other peoples books then weight one against the other, and then mouth off how much you think you know. tawakalna is the worst because he has an opinion on everything. what a sad individual.