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Post Wed Dec 24, 2003 2:34 pm

@WLB,

Those 17" HP Pavillions come with 4 USB 2.0 ports. I really have not heard much about HP laptops in years. Also have not heard much about their service reputation. If the staffing is from the Compaq side of the aisle, you may not enjoy your experience very well. BTW the video is a nVidia To Go with 128mb of RAM. Not bad for a laptop. You might want to consider 256mb of video RAM if it is an option but I don't know if with the GPU involved, it would be worth the money.
Maybe the ubertechies can help you here I remember Chetnik saying once that it wasn't that significant but for HL2, it may make a difference. Don't know.

With the newer laptops, because of the fact that the new proc's kick up a lot of heat, as do the video GPUs, the life expectancy of those components in cramped quarters like a laptop may be hampered somewhat.

If you are using a regular keyboard and employ external sound systems, you should consider getting an aftermaket laptop stand (not a floor stand but like a tray or holder) that provides for good ventilation underneath the unit (some are made with a non-conductive rigid mesh others use little rails that raise the back of the notebook. I don't like the rail setup because it stresses the bottom of the laptop.

Taw's suggestion of a docking station would be a good idea but it makes for a more cumbersome setup to move about (but as you've already got the keyboard and the speakers, I don't know if the docking station would be the straw that breaks the camel's back. You could off-load the wiring setup of the speakers AND the keyboard to the dock so that you essentially only have to move two "units" the laptop and the dock (with encumbrances). Same rules should apply about making sure you allow for bottom clearance to allow for air.

Edited by - Indy11 on 24-12-2003 14:39:46

Post Sat Dec 27, 2003 4:29 pm

@Indy - Just to see what I could come up with I created a custom HP 17 inch with almost all the hardware upgrades and a few software... would out-perform every comp any of my family has ever dreamed of buying... weighs "only" 10 lbs (4.5 kg)... total $2500 or so with the "uber dock" included. $250 for that.

The reason I did this is a Dell that meets my specifications runs about $2200. Read on...

@Everyone - My grandfather has a trust set up and is considering helping me out a bit. However, he has a Dell desktop (wich are ok) and wants me to get a dell laptop! Should it be necessary, would you all please tell him here what you think of dell laptops?

Post Sat Dec 27, 2003 5:11 pm

hmmm, what do i think of Dell laptops? the work of Satan, i'd say.

Post Sat Dec 27, 2003 6:02 pm

It's only one letter away from "the Infernal Realm"

Post Sun Dec 28, 2003 1:38 am

At least I don't have a Dell laptop, but I DO have a Dell 4550 (2.4 GHz, 512 MB RAM [upgraded from 256, 60 GB HD, GeForce4 MX 420). It's black/dark-grey, but I still have my LogiTech Marble mouse, you simply can't get a better mouse, just move your fingertips, and !voila! So every other mouse I get I simply trash, why move the hand, when your index-finger is enough????

Norse Player

Post Sun Dec 28, 2003 3:52 am

@WLB. Apologies, I rambled on a bit on this one.

I have not owned a Dell laptop so I cannot speak from experience. My employer provides me with an IBM laptop and I have a personal Dell desktop at home.

Their laptops usually get good reviews. E.G. The November issue of PC World, for example, rated the Latitude D600 #2 of the top 7 (Power Notebook Class) behind IBM but ahead of HP's NX7000. (But the HP had the biggest screen of the bunch at 15.4", Dell's only had a 14" and real estate is important in laptops).

The Inspiron 5100 was rated #8 of the top 8 behind the second of two IBMs in its class (Value Notebook). HP did not place.

My personal experience with Dell drawbacks ~ NOTE: I don't think any of the things below are relevant to laptops as, well, there is very little you can do on your own without running the risk of breaking something "under the hood" in very cramped quarters. What can be swapped out by the consumer is already made that way. I.e., flop and optical drives, PC cards, etc. And USB 2.0 adds new dimensions to hot swappable peripherals.

1) You cannot modify a Dell without breaching the warranties.

2) While most industry standard upgradeable parts seem to be compatible with a Dell, Dell will NOT support you after you upgrade except for those upgrade parts you purchase from Dell and which are, therefore, Dell warrantied (even for things like RAM, video cards, modem cards, etc.)

3) The motherboard IS NOT industry standard, the PC case IS NOT industry standard in that the standoffs and such are not located in the same spots so you cannot swap out MBs.

4) NO OVERCLOCKING ALLOWED. Dell BIOS like IBM and other big makes, specifically exclude overclocking features.

Post Sun Dec 28, 2003 5:37 am

Hmm. So overall you say thier not bad? Could be, I have no personal experiance either. My aunt however does.

Post Sun Dec 28, 2003 7:29 am

I agree with laptops not being the best alternative for a lot of things, but they have SEVERAL advantages over desktops, hands down. No offense Taw.

If you're going for a gaming laptop, concentrate on the vid card, RAM and screen size. Bigger is better. The HDD spce wouldn't be that big of an issue since you can load tons of games on a machine with as little as 40 Gigs of space easily (if gaming is all you're going to use it for). Same money by concentrating on the right components.

As far as propietory machines, well....I've never been a fan of those but the alternatives with laptops are small indeed here. Alienware "claims" to have THE gaming laptop, but I have no realtime exposure to it, only what I've read in mags.

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Post Sun Dec 28, 2003 12:15 pm

no offence taken Rob - it's not MY money!

Post Sun Dec 28, 2003 6:11 pm

I took a peek at Alienware. Their machiens are the coolest under the sun by far (noteboks nyway)... Green magnesium case with silver and black, uh, stuff. Super cool. Also super expensive. Here is what you can get for loads less than an Alienware... (gaming wise)

3.06 or 3.2 Gighrtz Pentium 4 with HT
128mb nVidia grafix
17 inch widescreen
over 700 RAM

Also heard that a fast harddrive is a plus for games, but the fastest option is like 5600 or somthing like that.

Oh ya... does 0.14 gighrtz of processor speed really make a difference? Because the 3.2 chip is $200 more than the 3.06......

Post Mon Dec 29, 2003 5:08 pm

@WLB,

Hi, sorry for not responding sooner. The wife is very much under the weather lately and only just now getting better so I've been tied up being Mr. Mom and Mr. Nurse for wifey and baby.

Ummm. Yeah. The thing about laptops is that you can do really really worse than Dell or IBM or HP/Compaq or Toshiba but you just won't do as well as you could with a desktop. That's just a fact of computing life.

As for HD speeds, you won't find a laptop HD that goes anywhere near as fast as a full sized desktop HD can. The 5400rpm is very fast for a laptop. (Note: Greater speed means more juice consumed and more heat produced - both difficult handling issues for a laptop.)

I have, for a while now, toyed with going the Alienware laptop way. What holds me back is that, for the money, I could get an ever more killer Alienware desktop, etc., etc., etc. You'll have to decide whether it is money well spent if you go with the Alienware. It IS really kewl though!

Dell is OK. HP also is OK. Neither are the best as there is no best. There are many out there that are worse and only a few that are comparable. Since I like lots of screen space, I would go with the best value 17" laptop. I also would make it a habit of being gentle with the equipment and practice good cooling behavior in terms of setting up the laptop. Heat is more of an enemy of laptops than people realize. Mobility tends to imply a very broad spectrum of ruggedness but, in fact, laptops... especially cutting edge ones, are not that rugged.

If you want affordably rugged but not cutting edge, try a Panasonic Tough Book. You'll notice that it is not as fast or sexy as the latest from other companies. But that "behind the curve" nature of it is for a reason.

Post Mon Dec 29, 2003 5:25 pm

Don't worry about response time. Any response at all is great!

Believe me, if a desktop was feasable for me right now I'd get one. Fortunately I will be plugged in most of the time so power's no object but with a 3.2 GHZ chip and that HD cooling does worry me a little. I will be shure to practice good "cooling behavior"

As for ruggedness. This thing will almost never move in the forseeable future. I do worry al little about falls though. So, I plan to get an accidental damage warenty for a year.

EDIT: Woah! Those toughbooks are built like tanks!

Edited by - Warlord Bob on 29-12-2003 17:27:41

Post Mon Dec 29, 2003 8:03 pm

@WLB

Yeah. Pretty solid looking things aren't they?

Anyway, one thought on cooling is to see if you can park your setup close to an A/C register ... get the benefit of your room's cooling system directed onto the back and bottom of your unit.

At work, I re-arranged my office so that my docking station actually sits on top of the A/C register (my office building runs the vents along the exterior wall and the registers are encased in a large steel counter-top that runs the length of my exterior wall. I think that's what saved me when my IBM HD started to fail. My neighbor didn't do the same and his just went pffffffft one day. He lost everything. Mine went in fits and starts so I was able to do a final backup before it died while being diagnosed by my IT gal. (no offense to Taw buy my IT gal basically treated me like an idiot and didn't believe I word I said ... kept accusing me of changing registry settings, etc.)

Edited by - Indy11 on 29-12-2003 20:04:39

Post Mon Dec 29, 2003 10:03 pm

IT "gal?"

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Post Mon Dec 29, 2003 10:27 pm

Hmm. I actualy don't know where the AC vents are in the hospital! (that's where I'll be for 3 months) and my room doesn't have one. Tis an addon sadly. However a fan beside it might work nicely. Another good tip tho!

lol Taw

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