can i just ask what questions WERENT answered grom? i left the cinema with only a few questions and those contain spoilers to the actual conclusions of the film so i cant utter them here.

Go see the matrix without any expectations, be open to everything and you'll really enjoy it i think. although YES there are some cheesy lines
Oracle: "...yet you still manage to suprise me"
Neo: "Youve given me some suprieses as well"

ARGH!

The Kid: "Neo...i believe"

*shudder*


"it has to start somewhere, it has to start sometime, what better place than here, what better time than now"

I reckon you'll love it Eraser. My only major gripe with the movie is that some scenes felt a little rushed or tacked on.

The Matrix doesn't have that many cheesy lines though, "You don't truly know someone until you fight them" is a shocker. "I believe Neo" is incredibly bad. But that's all I can really think of.

Morpheus: "you did it"
Niobe: "no WE did it"
Arcon: "shutup!"


"it has to start somewhere, it has to start sometime, what better place than here, what better time than now"

Do you think an apu could stand up to a battlemech?

if i was driving the APU i could stand up against pretty much anything. APUs are seriously the muts nuts..but then again, i love sentinels, theyre so deliciously evil yet elegant..hmm.


"it has to start somewhere, it has to start sometime, what better place than here, what better time than now"

just got back from seeing Revolutions. I'll keep this short* cos its been gone into in some depth already, and this is just my opinion ok?

*no I won't

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overall impression; can't decide yet if it's a cracking film spoilt by some truly terrible action clichés and sci-fi staples, or a dross film saved by stunning visuals, top-notch sfx and good actors. like Arch said, they kept the story within the framework already laid down and made the most logical ending they could from that.

could have done with a different and more adventuruous ending though, cutting out the corn, being less predictable all the way through and different scriptwriters. loved the set-piece battles and the visual iconography excelled itself, Elrond is superb, the cityscapes is brilliant. but even the most die-hard matrix fan i think would have to admit that there are some golden opportunities to take the story into really challenging new avenues and they are missed and/or wasted. "is it real?" for a moment i though yes they're going to do something interesting at last, make a real leap and take this bloody boring story somewhere different - but no they made nothing of it. i know where i'd have taken it.

Neo, I believe... yeah i believe u should have died when u fell of ur school in Kid's Story u little twerp. talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel for plot ideas. ffs who's this film for, 12yr olds? plz i feel unclean now, didn't i see this in Pearl Harbor?

u did it. no WE did it. did what, swallow a book of cliches for hammy actors? mind u she's hardly fleshed out as a character is she?

and good ol' Trin. my my i couldn't guess that was going to happen (yawn) when a film has me crawling in my seat with discomfort at its hackneyed-ness then i know i'm onto a loser. fortunately there were enough good bits to make me feel like i hadn't been completely ripped off. nice touch with the sky though.

and did anyone else clock when it turned into Akira? like not just once?

having sat and thought about it for an hour or so, i reckon if Reloaded & Revolutions had been made as animés then they would have been much better AND people like me wouldn't be moaning about the crass bits, cos u can get away with them in animé a lot more easily. but then I'd have been sitting in the cinema by myself, wouldn't i?

myself i like the Animatrix best out of all the Matrix projects, i even prefer it to the original (but thats because i only have to suffer Keanu's voice in Animatrix) btw I liked Beyond best, if anyone's interested, foloowed by Second Renaissance 1 & 2, then Detective Story.

sorry if I've offended any Matrix fans, not my intention, I did actually enjoy it and the battle scenes are superb, they totally rock. but the touchy feely stuff? please spare me the corny heroics and tragic partings to the Pearl Harbors and Titanics.

I preferred the mechs in 2nd Renaissance: Part2 to the APUs (i still don't see why the humans should have lost, i'd have finished Zero One off right away; btw did u notice it was located in N.Iraq? so is that where the machine city is then? that would be an amusing irony)

just my 3 shillings and sixpence fwiw! i'll just sit back in my asbestos suit, and await the flames.. also await RotK which i at least know will be made with an assured touch (and we get to see Agent Smith again). still i'm sure the Wachowski's won't care about my criticism, hell i've paid to go and see their films along with millions of others, got the DvDs so what do they care? and of course i'll watch em all again!

one final thing: me Pearl & Dean trailer rundown. Master & Commander looks a bit dross but I like big Russ so i'll go and see that, if he's half a s good as he was Gladiator (loved Gladiator, proper man's film, no girlie bits) i wont feel let down, besides its got boats in, always a plus! Troy looks ace, well it's Wolfgang "Das Boot" Petersen directing so it will be well done, even if Brad looks like a tranny. Last samurai also looks good, i used to detest Tom but he's surprised me in recent years and hell, i love samurai films anyway. And of course there's the live action Thunderbirds coming up next yr, I'm really looking forward to that, what I've seen so far looks ace. love Thunderbirds! "Thunderbirds Are Go!" shame i can't get a sound file in of the lightning and explosions. Mind u of course I saw it first time round, it was the height of my week when i was little, along with Fireball XL5, Stingray, Captain Scarlet, Supercar and Joe90 (that programme was insane; i'll just brainwash my 9yr old son in a huge spinning mincemeat maker and send him on a top-secret and probably fatal special ops mission in enemy territory. and i get called an irresponsible parent!)




Edited by - Tawakalna on 08-11-2003 22:48:08

Edited by - Tawakalna on 08-11-2003 22:58:57

@Taw, you and I have a lot in common in how we watch and judge movies.

Sir Spectre


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*phew* it's not just me then!

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I just want to say I'm waiting nervously for The Last Samurai as well... although I'm skeptical about how they're going to convince me and the public how this white dude comes to Japan and suddenly gets to lead the samurai army he's supposed to destroy anyway - and beds the exotic chick on the way (didn't we see this already in Karate Kid?). Samurai were cool and interesting people, but they were supposed to be xenophobes.

@Taw, I agreed with you in the post and many on your long-ago list of favorite (excuse me ... favourite) films. I agreed, right up until you re-edited your post to include:

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love Thunderbirds! "Thunderbirds Are Go!" shame i can't get a sound file in of the lightning and explosions. Mind u of course I saw it first time round, it was the height of my week when i was little, along with Fireball XL5, Stingray, Captain Scarlet, Supercar and Joe90 (that programme was insane;

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If that's going to be a film, I'm going to enjoy skipping it. Those little puppets are creepy.

Sir Spectre


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Edited by - Sir Spectre on 08-11-2003 23:18:01

there were missed opprotunities and there was **** dialoge, but i like to focus on what the film was as opposed to what it could have been. It could have been alot better i agree, it could have done without 4 parts of dialogue and it could have done with a better kung fu scene at club hel. Neither of which we got and would have made the film extra brill. As it is i still love it.
Sure this film could have been anime, thats been said about all 3 films, the brothers are HUGE fans of anime and even described M1 as live action anime in one interview, but its not, and i think people need to stop saying "you cant do that with live action but you can with anime". why the hell cant you? those crap lines and a rather predictable plot aside, its still a cool film, re-watchable if only for the apus

@Taw: beyond is my fave too, theres something about it. kids playing around or something in it. i dunno, theres a lot of innocence in that film i think and its a bit of relief from the heavy storys of the other ones. Not a real fan of detective story...it seemed a bit pointless. World record and matriculated i could have done without though.


"it has to start somewhere, it has to start sometime, what better place than here, what better time than now"

we're just gonna watch Animatrix again, in a few minutes. Sitting in the bath for the last hour or so, I thought it would have been cool if the bloke out of Detective Story had made it out of the Matrix instead of the Kid in Kid's Story. The athlete out of World Record would have been good too, he'd have been useful. Not too sure about the girl and the cat in Beyond, still might have been nice to have the cat!

one of the problems i'm having with Revolutions is partly my own making. because I'm well aware that the Wachowski's are big fans of animé, and I am too, I was looking for the animé influences all the time, it's one of the things i do in films, always check their visual references, well anyway some of those touches were just too apparent and to me too obvious, such as the exploding shockwave in the city. so Akira. i know they've done a lot of Ghost in the Shell bits, they were better handled first time round i think, less glaringly obvious. But that experience was obviously different for you as i know ur a big animé fan too. must just be me then!

@sS, creepy puppets uh? one day u might be trapped under a beam next to nuclear reactor thats about to go critical and ur only hope might be that those "little puppets" rescue u with the Mole or the Firefly. u'd just better hope that Virgil remembers to put the right pod onto T-Bird 2!

Edited by - Tawakalna on 09-11-2003 15:50:38

ohh, speaking of the akira-esque shockwaves...anyone else get bored of those after the 3rd?


"it has to start somewhere, it has to start sometime, what better place than here, what better time than now"

la la la....

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