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The Passion

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Eraser

Post Wed Aug 27, 2003 9:10 am

The Passion

Now I´m going to take a risk here and start a discussion on Mel Gibson´s new movie called The Passion .

The movie is about the last 12 hours of Jesus´ life and his crucifixion. The movie is performed completely in Latin and Aramaic with English subtitles. For months there is an incredible fuss about this movie. The press is all over Mel and several parts of the Jewish community is outraged by the film, because in The Passion it is shown that some Jew leaders made the decision on Jesus´crucifixion. They accuse Mel of anti-Semitism, while other important Jewish persons say the movie is very accurate and beautiful. Most Christians also find the movie very accurate and beautiful. Parts of the Jewish community are affraid that this movie will fuel the hatred between Christians and Jews, while Mel Gibson + crew say that the movie also shows good, friendly and helpful Jews and that this movie is about love, sacrifice, understanding etc. They say that the movie shows exactly what is written in the bible and other accurate writings on that period. The strange thing is that all this fuss is based merely on a rough cut of the movie and has to be edited for still a very long time.

There´s already a trailer: The Passion (Quicktime required) WARNING: it´s a very graphical trailer about Jesus´torture and crucifixion !

Like I said before, I´m taking a risk here by starting a thread about this, but I strongly believe that we can discuss this in a mature and objective way, without insulting or offending anyone. I simply want opinions on this matter, but it has to be clean, friendly and objective, otherwise this thread will be deleted by me or locked by one of the mods. I´m not even sure the mods will allow me to start this discussion, but we will see.

Remember folks, keep this discussion friendly and clean.



Hope is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of our greatest strength and our greatest weakness.

Edited by - Eraser on 27-08-2003 10:12:48

Tawakalna

Post Wed Aug 27, 2003 9:14 am

was he the Messiah, or was he just a very naughty boy?

I follow the gourd, my self. I used to follow the sandal.

Fear Factor

Post Wed Aug 27, 2003 9:41 am

I get the analogy , but the "gourd and sandal" never got associated with either religion. So which is which?

mustang

Post Wed Aug 27, 2003 9:41 am

Be very careful posting in this one folks, if it even looks like it's going to slip into a slagging match it'll get locked.

But all in all, I think Mel should be at least allowed to get a rough edit out before being berated by religious groups. But BOY, he's got big nuts taking on a picture like this. If I were a director I wouldn't go near this bag of worms in a million years.

Recusant

Post Wed Aug 27, 2003 9:44 am

I don't see why there should be such a huge fuss over how movies portray groups of people. The Germans have suffered in silence as the evil bad-guy in movies for years upon end. Mel Gibson has portrayed the colonial British troops in America during the war of independence as all inherently evil. In U-571, the Americans are also supposedly the ones who retrieve the enigma machine, even though in reality it was a British crew.
Hollywood, has always messed things up royally and will continue to do so in the name of poetic licence for a long, long time. It would be best if people learnt to take the things they see in the movies with a pinch of salt. I wouldn't go to watch "The Passion", see a bunch of Jewish people from 2000 years ago acting in a nasty manner and then decide that all Jews to this day are nasty or evil. I doubt anyone with half a brain cell would either.

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freighter fighter

Post Wed Aug 27, 2003 11:16 am

im going to keep an eye on it methinks

"What? Another girl! Tell me my boy. *whispers* what have you been doing?" - Tobias

kimk

Post Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:02 pm

i see how ur taking a risk with this one, but from an atheist's point of view (which i am) i really don't see the attraction of watching this movie. and sorry, i have no idea who Mel is. guy? girl? sounds like the short for melissa. am i wrong here? i think i am. but if the movie is gonna be released, i think it'll be banned in some anti-christian countries.. like pearl harbour was in japan.

tell me if i'm turning this into something its not meant to be.

zlo

Post Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:09 pm

@kimk: comon, man, tell me you were joking you didn't know who Mel Gibson was! Ever seen Mad Max series, or The Patriot, or Braveheart, or We Were Soldiers, etc.
Damn, it dawned on me finally! You meant his role in What Women Want! Should've guessed earlier.
Anyway, I'm an atheist too and I don't think I'll watch the movie either. Anyway, it's a matter of taste (and choice).
Still, funny to see all those religious debates start boiling just because of some pop song, movie, or a book. Looks like pop culture does have some serious influence on religion (and vice versa).

Eraser

Post Wed Aug 27, 2003 1:00 pm

Does it really matter this movie shows that only a few Jews, 2000 years ago, are the ones responsible for Jesus´ death ? Does this mean people should blame all Jews for something only a few Jews, 2000 years ago, are responsible for ? Are all Jews therefore bad ? Do we blame all Germans for the holocaust ? Do we blame all white people for enslaving black people ? Do we blame all Japanese for the bombing of Pearl Harbor ? Do we blame all Muslims for September 11 ? No ! Off course not ! So why are some Jewish people so strongly against this movie I wander...

Edited by - Eraser on 27-08-2003 14:38:29

Fear Factor

Post Wed Aug 27, 2003 1:15 pm

While we're on the "not all" argument, well just remember that not ALL Jews are against this movie, Eraser, only some so I think you should stop using "Jews" as "the people who are against the movie". "Some Jewish people" would be more correct.

Eraser

Post Wed Aug 27, 2003 1:40 pm

You are absolutely right FF ! Sorry about that, I didn´t mean to. I changed my previous post a bit now.

Arcon

Post Wed Aug 27, 2003 4:01 pm

i heard this film was supposed to NOT have subtitles, but that was before.
I'm not really fussed about religious films to be honest, i'm not a fan of modern christianity or any religion.
Religion just drives people apart, and even this film will probably do more damage than good, christians will probably go "ooh this film is brill" and anti christians will go "pfft, this film is all wrong".
If Mel can make it so its actually a good film with a good plot and good characters then thats all that i care for, if it turns out to be a live action version of a few passages of the bible with no real POINT to the film i wont be amused

-arcon
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Fear Factor

Post Wed Aug 27, 2003 5:14 pm

if it turns out to be a live action version of a few passages of the bible with no real POINT to the film i wont be amused


Now don't be too sure. I think many people would buy dvds of Bible scenes involving Salome. "Girls Gone Wild: Biblical"

This post just guaranteed me a seat in Heck, realm of the Prince of Insufficient Light.

Tawakalna

Post Wed Aug 27, 2003 7:06 pm

isn't Gibson a devout catholic? he's not going to upset his target audience and he prob. won't care if he upsets anyone else, it will still take plenty of cash because he's in it and won't spoil his rep. with his fans.

I'm no shade of a christian myself, but i was brought up a catholic (irish and italian parents so u can imagine they were hardcore catholics, I wasn't allowed non-catholic friends) I spent years looking into what really happened as regards Jesus' trial and crucifixion, and the beginnings and development of christianity in the years and centuries that followed. I have my own opinions as to what actually went on but i don't want to get into that argument. if you'd like to know more then I suggest as a starter getting hold of a copy of "Whose is the Kingdom" by John Arden and Margaretta d'Arcy and taking it from there.

not belonging to any organised religion, although I have more than a passing interest in Theosophy, I've never encouraged my kids to attend church and neither has the Mrs. Of course they've gone from school and such, last time the boy went he came back moaning about church, I asked him why he didn't like it and he told me that "it looks like a castle full of skeletons and the monsters on the walls follow you everywhere, are churches haunted? is jesus a ghost?" somehow i think I might have left a gap in his education, in retrospect.

Arcon

Post Wed Aug 27, 2003 7:11 pm

PLUS i dont really like gibson, hes done enough crap that i cant remember the last film he was in that i actually enjoyed to the point of thinking "now that was money well spent"

-arcon
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