I personally enjoy the other sci-fi stuff...in their OWN environments. Not in Freelancer. I believe that Freelancer should remain Freelancer. As for mods in general, it goes the same. Expansion should be on the over storyline, not coverting it to Star Wars or Homeworld...sheeze....

As for this story above, ://dOS had a good suggestion of allowing some survivors to exist as a resistance force awaiting some sort of help from the other houses. This would make for good in system conflicts.

But what about after the storyline? Is it all gone after that? Or do they rebuild like the other houses did? Why not put the houses to war (Russians against the rest), and add the nomads later? Why even bother with the nomads at all? Have the Russians land a few systems off the main stretch, befriend the Corsairs, and go to the other houses, guns blazing, set on conquest.

The nomad idea is cool, but too many people agree with it, so I made some other ideas to float around, and hopefully, one will be used. Im just arguing because too many people agree with the one idea.

If that's not poison ivy, then lick it...

@Ricardius; i have mailed you.

And, yes im here, i have been resting from Fl for a couple of weeks and now its a loot funnier . Sorry that i didn't responded so fast

Marty, I think that would work if we made an entire Russian House. As in 3 or 4 whole systems to draw resoures from. But if we went on with just one system, then it would be futile just by the overwhelming force the other four houses could bring to bear. True, they were depleted by the Nomads creating infighting between the houses, but it wasn't so much to leave them so crippled to allow 1 system worth of force to over take sections of sirus.

Nobody said how long the Russians were there. They could build up an empire of 8 systems in 'x' amount of time, then establish contact with whoever, and go to war with the houses.

If that's not poison ivy, then lick it...

Another idea...

What if the Russian House already had advanced military technology?
Extensive cloning programs... mass production of cybernetic enhancements...




If that's not poison ivy, then lick it...

...Okay, I see where your getting at....good angle indeed...

the Russian sword was suposed to not be sharp and cut, but to be just so massive that the sheer force would destroy their enemies.

So make the Russians have been able to make les technologically advanced ships, but they have just a whole lot of them.

Excellent Idea!! And I have some good ideas for Russian System/Planet/Base names:

Main System: Novaya Rodina (New Motherland)
Other Systems: Kiev, Novgorod, Muscovy, Siberia (all important centers in Russian history)
Planets: Moscow, St. Petersberg, Volgograd, Arkhangel, Kazan, Rostov
Military Bases/Battleships: Zhukov, Rokosskovskii, Frunze (Frunze Academy), Alexander Nevskii, Kursk, Potempkin, Kutuzov
Shipyards: Sebastopol, Odessa
Other Bases/Stations: Voronezh, Smolensk, Irkutsk, Okhotsk, Riga, Novy Mir
Feature Names (Ice fields, clouds, asteroid field, debris fields, etc): Baba Yaga, Czernobog, Pripet
Okay, it's late. I'll spend soem tiem with my Russian History texts and get back with some more later!

Of course whatever you've lost is in the last place you look. Why would you keep looking after you've found what you lost?

The cloning program would fit in with the massive number of pilots idea.

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I like the idea of a human Russian House better than the nomad scenario personally. The Nomads are awfully monolithic, with little scope for variation. Despite the West’s tendency to view Communism in the same light, I think a Russian House relatively free of that kind of thing would be much more interesting and fun to play.

I think it’s significant too that in FL the Alliance-Coalition conflict was over 800 years ago, and is never mentioned except in the opening movie. The only time you hear about those long-past events are from the Corsairs and the Outcasts, and they are only addressing their personal histories and the “sabotage” of the Hispania. The only major conflict that the rest of the Houses ever refer to is the 80 Years War. Think of it like this: 800 years ago, in 1203AD, the Fourth Crusade was in its second year, bound and determined to take Constantinople for Christendom (which they did in 1204). Also Genghis Khan was defeating his last real rival for power among the Mongol tribes. Now, how many people today can get really wound up about any of that? Same way in FL. Heck, none of the Houses really know what that conflict was even about, much less care about who won, really.

Think about it. In our history the USSR survived for less than 80 years (1917 – 1990). How long could such a system last in the FL universe after the Russians had arrived in Sirus? More than likely they would have fallen back on more traditional Russian methods and social organization. I think avoiding the Nomad scenario would open up so much more room for factions within the Russian House, independent corporations, etc, etc like all the other Houses have.

I know the Cold War and the “Evil Empire” are still relatively fresh in our thoughts, I caught the tail end of that when I joined the military. However, FL is a whole different scene. After all, economically, militarily, and politically, Liberty sure is a long way from the current US.

Just some food for thought, maybe.


Of course whatever you've lost is in the last place you look. Why would you keep looking after you've found what you lost?

actually that does make sense with the "not good weapons, but enough people" as in WWII when Joseph Stalin sent all his troops to Stalingrad to keep it away from the Germans> the germans were beating the snot out of them, but gradually they were dying because of all the soldiers being sent in..

but thats just a historical factor..

If this is not ENTIRELY true, feel free to correct it

And when he gets to heaven
to Saint Peter he will tell:
One more soldier reporting sir
I've served my time in hell

Well, the "not good weapons, but enough people" argument really isn't true. Consider the T-34 tank, perhaps the best tank in the world during WWII, and with far fewer mechanical problems than its closest competetor, the German Panther, which was actually modeled after the T-34. The Red Army was also far, far better equipped than the Whermacht for the conditions, with the latest gear for fighting in winter, specialized equipment for dealing with the twice yearly rasputista, when the frozen ground melts, turning most of Western Russia into a quagmire. In terms of small arms, the Soviet PPSH sub-machine guns were on a par with those of any other combatant.

As to Stalingrad, it was there that modern Urban Warfare methods were developed in what was called "The Stalingrad Academy of Street-Fighting". And to say that all of the Red Army was present at Stalingrad is incorrect. The city itself was held by General Chuikov's 62 Army, and quite well. The Soviet counter attack, Operation Uranius, was carried out by elements of two "Fronts" (the equivalent of German Army Groups), the Stalingrad and Don Fronts. These two Fronts did not at all compose the majority of the Soviet Army, which at the time was holding a line that stretched from Leningrad to the north al the way to the Crimea in the South, a huge area. Not to mention the forces still stationed in the East on the Manchurian and Mongolian borders to block a possible attack by the Japanese. In addition, the Soviets counteracctacked all along the Western line in December 1942, shortly after the counterattack at Stalingrad, which would have been impossible had the majority of their forces been deployed only around Stalingrad.

Although the Soviets did often rely on human-wave type assaults, it should be remembered that the Russo-German front of WWII was one composed of entrenched, fortified positions assialable only by frontal assault, and in such actions casualties will always be high. By 1943 Soviet equipment was usually on a par with that of the Germans, and often was superior. The primary failing in the Red Army came about from Stalin's purges of the late '30s, when the experienced officer corps of the Red Army was more than decimated. This created such an atmosphere of fear and unwillingness to take chances and interpret orders in light of specific situations, that the Red Army all too often acted with a mechanical devotion to orders which were out of date by the time they were received. This problem too was pretty much solved by late 1943, especially with the rise of general officers such as Zhukov, Rokossovskii, and Chuikov, among others.

My point here is that it is unwise to underestimate Russian technology or ability. Especially when they are backed against the proverbial wall. Remember, these were the folks who put the first artificial satellite into orbit around Earth, put the First man into space, the first woman into space, and who have maintained a constant presence in space from the 1950s through today, even when the Soviet Union dissolved and their economy went into the toilet.

In FL terms, remember this: The Colalition won, didn't they?

Of course whatever you've lost is in the last place you look. Why would you keep looking after you've found what you lost?

oh - and bear in mind one other thing. Russians are practical and adept in their tools and research. They don't have the liberty the americans have, for resources they might, but for wealth - well, its difficult to justify spending on some things that are not 'necessary'.

As it goes, remember. The american NASA space agency spent tens of millions of pounds designing a pen that writes on nearly anything, and underwater in zero gravity.
The russians just use a pencil.
Simple, efficient, and JUST AS GOOD. However, it cost nothing realatively.
Limits like cost don't mean worse, they just mean more creativity.