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Keyboards are the new bane of national security!

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Post Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:20 pm

Keyboards are the new bane of national security!

Crazy James Bond/Mission Impossible type stuff here.

Apparently, using simple recording devices someone could tell what keys you are using, thus figuring out passwords.

Here's a link that explains more.

However! Fear not fellow computer users, for Sylverfysh has devised a new technology so clever, so foolproof, that I DARE someone to try to hack any passwords while one of these babies is in use.

Revolutionary New Security Measure - by Me

If anyone wants to jump in on this gravy train, please state qualifications and give me a cookie.

Post Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:42 pm

neat i think your silencer will still create soundds distinctive enough to run an algorithym against but good idea, me i want to know how there going to record my keystrokes, easier to use a sniffer and a keylogger, no doubt as to the 96%,
if a dude can get a mike into the house or office then he probably deserves to get the text...lol....I'm keeping my Z-board no matter what....

definitly interesting but not a worry for average joe ... me I think some people have way too much time on their hands and need better hobbies...in fact i think US gov is probably going to spend half a billion on this and then give up on it.

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Post Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:36 pm

ROFL @ silverfish's patent pending technological wonder of greatness

I <3 FreeLancer

Post Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:49 pm

Ahh Amedeus, that's where you're wrong

You see, my silencer uses state of the art cheeson-macaronix processors (also patent pending) that creates over 3000 distinct movie silencer noises randomly whenever a key is pressed. Therefore, the only way to decode the device is to take it apart, rip out the CM Processor, and create some sort of un-silencer to attach to the silencer already attached to the keyboard. I for one, will not be letting anyone near my keyboard.

Besides, the new device also has telepathic powers...Yeah, that's cool - telepathic powers. That doesn't allow it to be used for evil and all that such.

Besides, they'll come in over 30 cool colors. You know you want a glow in the dark one.

EDIT: BTW, if the US Gov really wants to spend half a billion dollars (hint, hint, *cough*iwantmoney*cough*), then they should simply buy a quarter billion of my silencers. Only two dollars each! A real steal!

Edited by - Sylverfysh on 9/20/2005 8:53:32 PM

Post Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:15 pm

How can their methods possibly work without first establishing a profile of an individual keyboard? I don't see how my 'a' can sound the same as any other 'a' out there. Also, does this apply to the rubber keyboards now out there for laptops (the kind with all the keys in a thin sheet of rubber, just roll it up and take it with you wherever?). Great idea, but I agree simply using a keylogger would be much more practical, though the mic idea is somewhat more sinister.

Post Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:14 am

anyone ever seen or heard of this, the Optimus keyboard...

looks great doesn't it? you want one, don't you? sorry... turns out it's just a pre-production mock-up, not even a prototype. I actually spoke to these guys, because I was gonna get a few hundred of these in and try to become Uk distributor, but it's not even made yet! They even asked me if I knew someone who could make it for them. I pointed them at some German firms that manufacture in E. Europe. Can you beleive they were seriously thinking of retailing it at US$400? hopefully I talked them out of such a crazy scheme, after all you can get a di Novo 2 or an Eluminex Auravision for 130 dollars (or even less I think)

oh btw FD, those Gyration keyboards and mice you recommended a while back? great idea!

Post Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:22 am

BAd part of the Gyration Keyboard, the batteries run down too fast. Then you hit h and get a c. I put it on the shelf for now.

Post Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:49 am

@ Taw:
You are serious about lebedev studios ? I'm asking because I have seen a real hype almost everywhere where someone posted about this keyboard. I have seen many posts declaring they would buy it for 200 euro.

So it's hard to believe that no investor is around. Seems that those dollar-packed white-collar-junkers can't even realize the potential profit.

Or do the russians simply not have the technology, just the design ?

Post Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:44 am

I'm quite serious. I spoke at length to Dimitri himself. well, strictly speaking my daughter did 'cos she speaks Russian.

I find it odd that they wouldn't have the technology, after all, it is only a keyboard, not a nuclear reactor or anything cpmplicated. I think the problem is that they can't find anyone to make it cheaply enough and maintain the build quality, and that their business model has too high a retail price. I told them to bring the price down to well under US$200, I certainly wouldn't buy it for sale at any higher price. where they're at now with manufacturing I don't know, its only 3 months since I spoke with them and it takes at least 3 months to get the tooling done.

it may also be that no-one is prepared to make it and maintain the design integrity. I find that less credible but it's not unknown, having come from a design background myself I know how precious designers can be and how they can refuse to compromise their ideas.

200 US is about £120-£130 which if you recall was approx the price of the di Novo when it came out. Lebedev was talking 400 US which is about £250 which is insane, for all the hype and coo-ing over this design, who's going to pay that much for a keyboard, even with all those functions? bear in mind as well, no-one knows if those functions will even work, what you see on that link is a mock-up, a model. yes, I was surprised too.

Post Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:08 am

@ taw: Did you see this cr*p ?
Link . If people'd pay 299 $ for that they even might pay 400 for Lebedev

Post Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:36 am

My geeky uncle (he better not be reading this ) ordered this baby: I'm talking about this one.

Post Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:17 am

zazie:- that's a lot, but I'm sure people will stay pay it. I was amazed that anyone bought the di Novo for about the same price but they did, it was and still is a big seller. Got to admit though, that's a nice looking keyboard. Interesting that although the Optimus made all the news, other manuf's will benefit by ripping off the concept while Lebedev struggle to get their design made. They should have stayed schtumm until they were ready to launch, or sold the design to someone else. Which is what I told them to do! Why does no-one ever listen to me?

wiz:- now that's a nice keyboard - simple and to the point but lots of features. if my PC looked prettier (which it don't) I'd go for that or an Apple wireless USB keyboard - because they work perfectly with PCs too!

sadly my PC is all content and no style...

Post Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:19 am

Das Keyboard is one of those fad gadgets, overpriced and almost useless... except for those who claim to be the uber geek or uber techie that this keyboard is supposed to represent.

But they cheat because the centering ridges for the "f" and "j" keys are still on the board. A true uber geek shouldn't need any help.

Total ripoff but if anyone buys it, the manufacturer deserves credit for spotting the opportunity and exploiting it. It has to be cheaper to make, don't you think?
And yet the selling price is over the top. Pure profit making cream.

Post Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:33 am

*starts leeting*
more style on my pc - apple usb keyboard
*stops leeting immediately*

We live in a world where some people spend incredible sums just to give the impression they are richer=better than others.
Example: French site announciong Dual 7800 GT for 999 Euros limited to 2000 pieces .
I imagine a couple of CEOs would LOVE to have a REALLY expensive keyboard in their desk just to make the difference to the rest of the world. The same clientèle buying some of the 4000-or-more-$-handys - or 200'000-$-cars >:

@indy11:
agree about Das Keyboard. But i had to smile that the company itself announces their product for "ÜberGeeks". That's some style.

Edited by - zazie on 9/26/2005 8:35:00 AM

Post Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:20 am

Indy
And here all this time I was thinking they put ridges on the "f" and "j" keys for people like me that don't see so good.

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