Cheating is bad and unfortuatly people do it .... I dont agree with it. Cheating in MP is out of order and not funny for those in the game trying to play the game for the purpose it was designed. Cheaters should be band and there name shamed!!

Some people look for intelligent life on other planets. Im trying to find it down here!

Archangel you spelled band wrong

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lol @trail so did u aint it supposed to be banned

the nomads are coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheating is kick ass if you want to piss a lot of people off.....

yeah u may want to p**s people of but u cant play the game for what it is so bottem line all modders are crap players lol

the nomads are coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

/start rant

My new opinion on cheating:

I thought about it for a while, then expanded my definition of cheating to include Nomad Weapons. There is no penalty for using them(i.e. energy usage or ammo) AND no cost for getting them...in other words, they're an ultimate weapon, and by definition a cheat. Energy/ammo management is a skill, and by taking that out of the equation you give yourself a tremendous advantage over anyone who doesn't have them. For comparison, all the other class 9 and 10 weapons that do that much Damage Per Second deplete even a Titan's reactor in a matter of seconds.

In other words, ANYTHING done for personal advantage over other players that has NO DISadvantage is a cheat, plain and simple. Even if anyone else can use it. I'd love to find a MP server where they're not allowed.

Now I'll probably get flamed into oblivion by all the Nomad proponents on these boards, but so be it...

/end rant

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Why cheat? I mean really. Can't win through being a better pilot? If you need a cheat or mod to gain a competitive edge, then you really shouldn't be playing. Nothing worse than getting beat by a cheater who then starts rubbing in the fact that they beat you. No, I don't use mods/hacks/cheats.



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lol have u noticed that not many peeps in this thread have admited cheating or using mods lol

the nomads are coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@nuke i disagree with your definition of nomad weapons as a cheat. there are very few real objectives to work towards in fl, apart from of course power, money and flying skills....there are no real ranking skills as such (see previous thread rants about Elite) so I think good weapons should be kept as they are...difficult to get at first. I do however agree with removing such weapons from MP...it would broaden the playability vastly. Noobs would have to work at their flying skills rather than relying on the power of their weapons.

As for cheats, I'm all for banning MP cheats - I really can't stand people who use them. SP cheating is pointless unless you have the attention span of a lemming.

And mods...weeellll mods....I don't use them, in fact I've only ever tried TNG once, but hastily removed it when I saw Trent's tacky trekkie-like makeover.

I would however like to see different ship mods in MP....even if its just re-skins/reshapes...I'm not talking about modifications of turning circles and the like...just a nice wide variety of ships to blow out of the sky. Anyone else know what I mean?

Gromit
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I didn't achieve this position in life by having some snot-nosed punk leave my cheese out in the wind.

That's what I meant, gromit...remove Nomad Weapons from MP. I couldn't give half a rat's ass about what people do in SP, but MP should NOT be a race to see who gets the best guns the fastest, especially not on PvP servers.

Ummmmm. I cheat in SP ... that is... I use the Mods and I hack the inis myself
just to see what FL will do with it. Of course, I crash alot. I don't use god mode, though, if that means anything.

I find it very entertaining. I can create absurd scenarios and I can go in the opposite direction and make the NPCs almost impossible to be destroyed no matter how "uber" the ship I fly may be.

Does it really matter in SP? I see most people feel SP is irrelevant to the cheat issue. On the other hand, I can't see why anyone who wants to play in MP should consider cheating at all.

@Anyone: I thought the MP servers were well protected against cheaters. Are there a lot of cheaters in MP?

Cheating in MP is just plain rude, but we've been over that. I feel that once you've beated SP, you are within your rights and my morals to "cheat" in any way you like. I do this in one shape or another with most of my games. As long as it is still entertaining, it serves its function as a game and all concerned are pleased... except perhaps M$

NukeIt, I agree with the Nomad weapon assessment for MP. I am trying to find some server side mod that will ensure the nomad weaps draw energy. I think it would be too much just to take them away.

Besides my server's server side mods, I don't mod with one exception. I beta tested JoeBoomz' FLSO and FLCharEd. On a couple of characters I changed everything to test out the programs. Of course I always changed them back!

Indy11, there are several cheats that despite all the tools on the server side there is little you can do about them (I won't list them here). Sometimes there is little to no indication cheating is even happening! (thanks to practically useless flserver console messages in flserver itself) The best you can do is trying to catch them in the act. There are client side programs (they might even be mods) coming out that prevent cheating from the client side but I haven't found and tested them yet. While they hold promise, it is still software that could get in the hands of a cheater and be manipulated. The best deterrence against cheating is what is said here time and time again - cheating ain't kewl.

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Earendil
SysAdmin of Boston Freelancer server