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Servers.....(Calgary 24/7 Admin please read too)

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Post Tue Jun 17, 2003 12:43 am

Servers.....(Calgary 24/7 Admin please read too)

1. Are there any servers that support mods?


2. If the Calgary admin can see this, i think is peak for 60% of the people there. Take off the patch. We like to mod. You have that restart-thingy, why use the patch?

Heretic

"He would make a lovely corpse." - Charles Dickens (1812-1870)

Post Tue Jun 17, 2003 3:45 am

i'm tired of the modders. before the patch the server would crash constantly.

Post Tue Jun 17, 2003 10:44 am

Yeah but Calgary 24/7 had some auto-restart program so the server would be down for literally a few seconds. It did crash offline once, but that was because of a hacker.

Heretic

"He would make a lovely corpse." - Charles Dickens (1812-1870)

Post Tue Jun 17, 2003 4:45 pm

all welcome 24/7 KINGS_CLAN but some of the ship mod crash me
so if i dont come back right away it means i am cutting grass going store or whatever but i bring back as soon as i see problem and no i dont have patch formatted to get it out

))))KING((((

Post Tue Jun 17, 2003 8:11 pm

w00t. g/j. Problem is i messed up my mpnew char folder........i cant make a new character or else the game crashes. I was wondering if someone has the original intact mp new char ini.

Heretic

"He would make a lovely corpse." - Charles Dickens (1812-1870)

Post Wed Jun 18, 2003 5:27 am

I'm glad there's no modding on Calgary 24/7. You guys just camp in New York and mess with people anyway, you don't actually play the game. I've been in New York space a number of times and theres plenty of guys running hacks and cheats who still do nothing but PK anyone and everyone. Even some of the low level guys running beam mods try and mess with you, lol. (Which I must admit, is just funny)
I'm in the same city as the server, and on the same ISP and all it does is lag from you guys trying to hack crap and sneak in new mods.
If the mods didn't affect the server machine, I wouldn't really care. I'd be running Uber Shield just to stave off dock campers and people who don't let you know that your in a fight until they've started attacking you from behind.

Want a Modded Server? Start your own.

Johnny

Post Wed Jun 18, 2003 10:32 am

So you finally have the balls johnny to post on here.

1. You're just saying this because you have beef with me on the server. Remember mod or no mod i own you bitch.

2. Not all modders and hackers camp. Note: i want a cloak mod so i can map in detail every system i can get to.

3. I cant make new characters because i crash to my desktop, thus making my own server wouldnt do anything.

4. Why not mod anyway to get rid of the modders. Use the uber shield. Someone CAN kill that. There are ways to kill everyone. Theres really no invinsibillity or any god mod. Just make a gun that can kill the hull 10 times over and the shiled twice with recharging.

5. If YOU don't like it. Leave, the admin for the server mods too you know. You know who he is? Prototype_01. Did you not know that? did you not also know that HE mods alot. I pk only clan members and asses. You're an ass therefore you died. Only clan i dont kill is Clan TE. I get money for helping them and for not shooting them.

Heretic

"He would make a lovely corpse." - Charles Dickens (1812-1870)

Post Wed Jun 18, 2003 11:56 pm

I'd say no to modding, Calgary included. I prefer to fly clean, and so do a lot of other people.

707th Silver Dragons
www.the707th.com

Post Thu Jun 19, 2003 12:35 am

Thats not really up to you. If you didnt notice my comment, that the admin (aka the host of the server) mods himself....

Heretic

"He would make a lovely corpse." - Charles Dickens (1812-1870)

Post Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:24 am

"So you finally have the balls johnny to post on here. "
- It wasn't really about having 'balls', I just had no reason to post anything.

"You're just saying this because you have beef with me on the server. Remember mod or no mod i own you bitch."
- I have a beef with you? You own me? Beak beak beak. You talk pretty tall, but then again, your a modded/hacked player. And by these words, you WANT a beef. I assure you, its one sided. I log on to play through the game with some pretty decent people, maybe you feel left out?
I have no idea where your defensive arrogance has come from, but it appears you took my post rather personally.

"I cant make new characters because i crash to my desktop, thus making my own server wouldnt do anything."
- Nobody's fault but your own if you farked up your game. Doesn't mean the rest of the game hosting world has to pick up your slack. Solve your own problems.

"Why not mod anyway to get rid of the modders. Use the uber shield. Someone CAN kill that. There are ways to kill everyone. Theres really no invinsibillity or any god mod. Just make a gun that can kill the hull 10 times over and the shiled twice with recharging."
- I've never looked into modding, so I'm not even going to pretend I know how to mess with my character.ini files. To be honest, I'm not all that interested in modding, except for the reasons I stated in my original post.

"If YOU don't like it. Leave, the admin for the server mods too you know. You know who he is? Prototype_01. Did you not know that? did you not also know that HE mods alot. I pk only clan members and asses. You're an ass therefore you died. Only clan i dont kill is Clan TE. I get money for helping them and for not shooting them."
- I do like it. I put up with all the bored goofs who log on just to mess with other people, thats life. The whole reason I responded to the post was because people are taking steps to make it more difficult for others to take advantage of legitimate players, and I'm in agreement with that. So no, I'm not going anywhere.
As far as 'knowing' Prototype_01, I've spoken to him briefly, and I did not know he was the server admin. We spoke when I first joined the server, and he's a stand-up guy. If he wants to hack on his server, who's to tell him what to do? Its his software, he can do whatever he wants with it. The no modding is for everyone else.
Who said I died? I run like a bitch! LOL I know you guys are modded, why bother having my weapons destroyed if I don't have to?
And for the record, I never said you did anything to me, but I've been witness to you trying to set up duels against people who are non-clan members and you were modded. So say whatever you want, your not convincing me of anything.

Johnny "No Balls Dipped In Beef" December

Post Thu Jun 19, 2003 5:03 am

Back on topic please or thread will be locked.

Post Thu Jun 19, 2003 12:19 pm

Heretic , you don't mod. You don't have the skillset for it honestly, and all your 'mods' are stock downloads someone else wrote and posted on the site. What you do is not modding. You aren't playing with settings and tweaking them for balance, or testing a new eye-candy, or testing a new ship you designed yourself. You are simply downloading someone else's work, and holding it up as an example of your 1337 skillz. You are taking the easy road to becoming powerful in the game, without having to develop the skills the respectable deulers have developed. In essence, that describes cheating rather neatly. The admin playing with mods is truly modding, as he adjusts his own craft and tests it on his own server. There is a substantial difference between the two. Just wanted to clear that up.

Cheaters share 2 common traits:
(A) They don't make their own mods. This requires work, and 'work' generally defeats the purpose of cheating. There are exceptions to this, but I haven't seen many of them, if any.
( Their skills at dueling are usually abysmal. They never had the need to develop these skills, and can barely hit an AI piloted ship, let alone a player on a consistent basis. These are the people who played the game the first time, complained that it was too hard, and went on the net searching for a quick fix that would make them able to defeat those devilishly hard to hit bloodhounds.
This profile is 99% accurate to what you will find when facing a cheater on a server. I think most players would agree. Except, of course, for the cheaters.

Personally, I had a little fun the other night killing a cheater who had downloaded powerful weapons, but had not installed a super-shield. He couldn't hit me enough, hence he was killed repeatably. It was fun for a short period of time. This player was in a kind of balance however. His limited skills compensated for his powerful craft. The fun was over, however, when another one showed up with infinite shields and one-shot-one-kill guns. Not even fun. When I fired that 'slayer' at him head-on, saw it explode and his shields didn't even budge, I knew the fun was over. Am I a great dueler? Hardly. But I do like to better my skills, and shooting at a Death-star camoflauged as a Starflier wasn't going to do that.

In any case, I love 'mods' in the truest sense. I cannot wait for the rebalance mod to become a polished work, and suitable for balanced server play. It is certainly getting closer every patch. Allowing players to 'make their own mods' however, is an eventual recipe for disaster. It doesn't take very long for the general public to find out where the 'clean servers' are, and in time those will be the servers primarily visited. I have switched from Calgary24/7 to Brownclops recently, and am glad that I did.

There is a very simple logical reason for why 'cheat-allowing servers' will fail in time, given an alternative in the form of 'clean servers'.
1: Cheaters do not like to duel or play vs other cheaters. It robs them of their power. When the immovable object comes in contact with the irresistable force you end up with either a stalemate, hence boredom, or you end up with an instant destruction, hence frustration. Rather, cheaters like to play vs standard players.
2: Legitimate players do not like to play vs cheaters. I don't need to explain this I don't think; it is simply so.
3: Over time, legitimate players will migrate to an environment that favors them, leaving the cheaters alone together. This leaves the cheaters in situation #1 described above, with the occasional visit from a visiting noob. At this point, even the cheaters will lose intrest in the server. Yes, even you Heretic. You can hardly impress people with your uber-machine of destruction, when you can't even penetrate their shields in a millenium of dogfighting. Where then, remains the fun of cheating?

There is significant inertia involved in an established server. People look for the server with the most players, and try that one first. Inertia, however, can be overcome. It doesn't require alot of force, merely a product of force and time. In time, cheat-enabled servers will fail.

When I compare the Calgary 24/7 server with it's low ping, 40 players, but constant lag issues, and prevalent cheat-whores who hang around manhattan killing new players as they come out of the docks, to Brownclops' server, with it's higher ping, but oddly lag-free play (an example of bandwidth vs latency), T1 connection, 30 players, absence of cheaters, fun system-wide events (like the rabit-chase where you stop players heading from one system to another for prize money - or the ironman events where a player takes a starflier all the way to primus for 1mil cash) there is not even a contest. I'd like to see a few more duelers on brownclops, but in time I'm sure they will come, having gotten tired of the constant inequity of trying to shoot a starflier pilot with 100k shield-regen and guns that do 10k damage per hit.

Post Thu Jun 19, 2003 6:26 pm

Yo i was playing SP with mods when i read this forum ive now deleted all saved games with the mods and turned off my mods so i can see what its like without the beam weaps or voyager or some other hyped up stuff, frankly now realizing what ppl do on multiplayer i will watch out for heretic or any other guy who doesnt have the balls or skills to live without mods and should not be alowed on servers anyway. all i say is this to all modders= if u mod great, dont camp or dock kill, dont entice noobs with duels they cant win cause ur modded, and DONT EVER LET ME CATCH A HUMP OR DROMEDARY camping OUTSIDE of MANHATAN hitting noobs with level 9 and 10 turrets.


I have balls- DEFENDER!

Post Thu Jun 26, 2003 1:04 am

Only one mod should be used on calgary.

http://www.lancersreactor.com/t/forum/t ... orum_id=19

That mod.

Kill the laming with cloaks, super-ranged nomad lasers, uber shield, uber hulls. Kill it all dead.

Post Thu Jun 26, 2003 1:24 am

Modding is modding. Weather i did it on my own or i downloaded it and used FLMM. Thats that.

Btw if you think i'm bad. TALK TO TRIGGER. He cloaks on the god damned server with him and his cronies. They own me. I admit it. Modding doesnt mean doing it on ur own. It means modifying the game period. I know i dont have the skills (yet) to mod on my own. But still i have FLMM. If you dont like my uber, then shoot it off. You can do that.

Also i'm only keeping the Uber because of the patch making it illegal.

The Jolly Rogers

We take cargo, not prisoners. We fly with style. We give no Mercy.

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