fixing the problem by propagating it never solves the problem IMHO.

This explains what happened to me on my first day of joining MP... While entering a dock, another player ship appeared and destroyed me.

I finally started going to servers without the little skull icon next to it. The ones where players can't affect players seem's to eliminate this type of person altogether.

I keep trying to figure out what the point of "dock killing" is... I mean do you get money for it? Is it to rack up kills on your profile? It seems like a waste of time to me.

Stinger:
Normally I would agree with you 100%. But running and telling the teacher that little Johnny is picking on me never fixed anything. Some times if you spare the rod you spoil the child. Best thing to do with a bully is put him in his place once or twice and he then learns respect.

Dredd

Yea, the community cleaning this up. But the thing is, no one's doing anything about it because they're still expecting the admins to spoon feed them. Why not all the clans in Elite form together and get them? Or is there a clan rivalry preventing this from happening?

Pretty much all of the clans on Elite ARE against us... And they aren't preventing anything ^_^

A whole lot of responses for a minor thing, each one saying the same thing, more or less. Except for angel's well-written post, of course.

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Crunch....u make urself out to be the victim. give me a break man. ur story doesnt work here. did u forget all that slander thrown our way. and ur organization that wanted to take over fp9....and who could forget...the dock raping of the Voices as well... please. dont act like NPC are the only things u mess with.
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Except... what organization are you referring to? And of course, I deny all of it. Besides, how do you explain the screenshot, eh?

-A Curious Crunchodile

yes we know on elite land of gutless admins

make it go away! stop! uncle! whatever -lol

I've been an admin for online servers for a long time.

The simple fix is this: if the admins will not do anything to prevent it (dock camping, cheating, mods, whathaveyou) then use your power and go to a different server. The only "power" admins will bow to is the power of the people. We run servers for all to enjoy and for (gasp) bragging rights as to who's is most popular. But if the admin(s) of a server (ANY server) prefer to sit on their hands and do nothing to make the server an enjoyable place for all they don't deserve squat! And this is coming from a vetern admin mind you.

Yes I do run a FL server and no this is not a plug. Make up your own minds as to how you want to deal with nonecks that dock camp but know this. Becoming the bully is not the answer, getting the admins to do their JOBS is.

Sir Castrin
Grand Master of the Order
Order of the Rebel Knights
Knight of the 1st Circle

Castrin:
"Make up your own minds as to how you want to deal with nonecks that dock camp but know this. Becoming the bully is not the answer, getting the admins to do their JOBS is."

If only we could. Question: Can admins see the username of an account on their hd?. I know they are in hex, but not sure if there is a tool for them to use or not. If not I can understand why they don't monitor the accounts better. But if you can see the usernames in the accounts, why not just delete them or remove their money (again not sure what you can or can't do).

Dredd

Ok first Im going to say something about the power of the people.

Server Admins usualy SHOULD do all they can to please the over all population. They dont want to scare their players away or their server dies, and they fail in their goal. To run a fun online server that will please all. If a bunch of insecure (or maybe, just, bored stoned teenagers, really choose one if you want. Their the same thing) people have to spend all their time kiling lowbies while their docking, and its pissing off the major population, it should be dealt with, or the population will die, and thus the whole point of the server will be exhausted.

Firstly, its not that people are too weak, or that people are Docking, its that people wont fight back.

No matter how strong or rich these people are, they can still be killed, and they can still be abolished. It only takes time and willing people. You can 1... cry to admins that wont help, or 2, fight back and make them stop.

Its a PVP server, so im ok with someone killing me or anyone else when I'm flying around in blank space trading or out killing on a mission, but I am not ok will someone killing me or anyone else when im docking or when Im trading with someone. It IS a PVP server, that means we have to put up with being killed every now and then, I am fine with dying to someone, but im not ok with them dock camping because its a weak way for a lazy bastard to scare newbies. Thats it, and on a PVP server it proves nothing besides their cowardess.

Onto the Subject of these "Clans."

Personally, these large clans remind me more of the MOB. They run around scaring people with their large weapons, and do nothing but that. If they were useful, than I might not care if they ran around killing everyone, but since thats all they do, worthless crap, I could care less if they all got banned.

And I mean look, we all know that NEO is the one who does this most, Im not going to try and name any other clans who do it.. because generally, not many do.

NEO is big, NEO could be powerful, NEO could rule the server, but their not following the basic rule of leadership.

Machiavelli said that to control someone make them fear you fear fear is more powerful than love. The only problem with this is, NEO is forcing too much "Fear" (no ones really scared of them) onto the people in Elite, and thats what you dont do. Machiavelli failed to udnerstand that TOO much fear will make the people revolt and simply blast their leader into oblivian.

NEO Might be on top now, and they might stay on top, but eventually someone will do something and NEO will collapse. Thats if they continue being fear controllers.

Maybe if they trtied being nice half the time people might like them and stick up for them, but now the only ones sticking up for them are themselves... and they need more than that if their going to stay around.

I dont care what they do, but their breeding their own doom, and the only thing I'll do is watch. Sure some of the members might be nice, but until they engage in that, the people will hate them for the fear.. and then nothing remains.

So hell... Simple enough.

People need to be nicer in general, or the server will just end up dead and barren, or the clans that would be able to control it and allow a good economy for plays, will all collapse.

Aye, 2 Cents.

www.mechg.com/signup.php?ref=193

hmm Dock camping now im no lover of cheats or of people that exploit overlooked gameplay issues, which is basicaly what it is, but isnt this whinge getting a bit old, ive seen instances of this on rare occasions on elite and am a major enemy clanwise of those individuals accused of it the most, ie NEO, having said that! in a recent fight, were we got caught with our pants down dueling, i saw only one instance of it occurr in about aww 20 launches. my question is this, how long do you wait in war before you open fire, is there some way of knowing when the cutscene ends?. otherwise the whole damn topic is mute conjecture, based on machine and connection/lag capabilitys/problems.
Either way you look at it, if you get torped on leaving a base in cutscene as i saw lastnight on the one occasion, you have em running scared. and Fear overcomes all enemys.
Remember this game is not a starlancer dm it involves strategy and planning too, if you get staked out at a base its because you arent watching close enough, what your gameing enemys are doing.
End of rant
Weary.
In fareness to the original poster as someone that just plays the npc,s, its not exactly "on" for someone to stake you out anyway, as you would be no threat to a player that is used to PK ing, so in your case it was prolly some shmuck, with grudge about his ability to play the game, just laugh or get a decent ship and hunt the bugger lol.


Edited by - CrazedMoon on 12-06-2003 00:14:45

I never did anything to deserve this.

So in other words.. The Voices are just like every other PK clan.. They most likley to go after the innocent.

except crunchodile doesn't say the cheap tricks he does to everyone. Including offering money to them then attacking them in a trade window. What ever crap he is posting i swear this guy ENJOYS dieing. This is yet another game he is going to play....

LIES!

--An innocent Crunchodile