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Post Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:28 pm

Trading prices

I have yet to understand the rationale behind the trading scheme in FL. Shouldn't the places that produces an item sell it for less than those who don't?

Using real life examples:

Corn
California : 1400 Bale <Best Price>
Iowa: 1000 Bale <Produces Item>
Siberia: 250 Bale
Libya: 25 Bale

I mean shouldn't Starbases and Barren worlds be willing to pay more for the basic necessities than other places? For most items in the game after all 150 places to land are explored, usually all places that PRODUCES the item is in the top 20 of the Most Expensive places to BUY it. No place should be willing to pay less for an item than one that produces it.

Simple Supply and Demand, you have too much of something you sell the excess for less (Sale), If you can't produce but want something bad you would be willing to pay lots for it.

Phil said he worked on Privateer right? What happened to Buy food/water on an Agricultural world (Caladan), take it to a space station or industrial world (Geidi Prime/Arrakis) buy some products there that people would want on an Agricultural world. (I know Geidi Prime is a Fuels and a crystal like substance exporter)

*Dune References are there to give examples hoping that most if not all people would make the connection.

There may be some places that would just not want something but since thier 'Dynamic' trade system just not advanced enough to me. Every once in a while there'll a sale, but the buy/sell 500 of item and no change to value, Bases don't have a Max capacity, no one consumes, yada yada yada... Maybe in an Expansion or FreeLancer 2. (sigh)

Other than that I think it's a great game, but this is the first I've been a Merc as opposed to a Trader, for reasons of my rant.

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Post Fri Sep 26, 2003 11:08 pm

It might help if you gave a freelancer example. I for one have never seen this.
H-fuel is cheapest in sigmas and kusari where its made
diamonds are cheapest in Omega 11 and rheinland where they are made
cardamine is cheapest in om alpha where its made
just about everything I have seen is cheapest where its is made

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Post Sat Sep 27, 2003 3:58 am

Well because if nobody whats your stuff, nobody will buy it... Stuff sells for next to nothing on some planets because they have no use for your junk, regardless of whether its scrap or a superconductor

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Post Sat Sep 27, 2003 7:02 pm

Alien Organisms (table found on LancersReactor Commodities Page)
Base System Faction Price
Cambridge Research Station Cambridge Cryer $ 2000
Planet California Minor California Planetform $ 2000
Willard Research Station California Navy $ 2000
Newark Station New York Interspace $ 1860 *
Perth Station Edinburgh Planetform $ 1700
Glasgow Outpost Leeds Bowex $ 1400 *
Planet Junyo Shikoku Samura $ 1300
Planet Harris Tau-31 Planetform $ 1300
Shinjuku Station New Tokyo Samura $ 1100 *
Freeport 6 Tau-29 Zoners $ 1000 *
Atka Research Station Sigma-17 Cryer $ 700
Planet Kurile Sigma-17 Samura $ 600 *
Freeport 10 Tau-37 Zoners $ 600 *
Freeport 9 Omicron Theta Zoners $ 400 *
Planet Malta Omicron Alpha Outcasts $ 300
Ruiz Base Omicron Beta Outcasts $ 100 *

(*) - Sells Item

From Planet Kurile Down except Malta unless Malta has very little terraforming left, (never been there), BUT 4 Planets/Stations that have a demand for it (must be because the high Buy/Sell Price) also sell it! Do they really want it or not? Why the Demand if they produce enough that they can/will sell the excess b/c if there's excess then the demand is sated ie. no overall demand.

Also why does Newark Demand Alien Organisms? For Pittsburg's Moon? Why not have Pittsburg have a Demand for it then? That's a lot like saying "I know Siberia would just really use this product but I'm going to put it on a plane to Berlin instead of Moscow." As you notice I only took the top 16 places, and if you notice Pittsburg is not on there because they couldn't care any less for it, $100 is the max that they'll pay. Since I don't deal with this commodity and/or know enough about the other places to develop a rational...

Diamonds
Vogtland Base Dresden Hessians $ 285 *
Darmstadt Depot Stuttgart LWB $ 285 *
Solarius Station Omega-11 Daumann $ 219 *
Douglas Station Omega-3 BMM $ 219
Freeport 1 Omega-3 Zoners $ 219
Rugen Station Omega-3 Daumann $ 219
Briesen Mining Facility Omega-7 Daumann $ 219
Elbich Mining Facility Omega-7 Kruger $ 219
Friestadt Outpost Omega-7 IMG $ 219
Leipzig Station Dresden Daumann $ 219
Pirna Border Station Dresden Police $ 219
Ronneburg Base Omega-5 Hessians $ 198 *
Freital Base Omega-11 Hessians $ 198 *
Cadiz Base Omega-5 Corsairs $ 176

Dresden Has Diamonds all over the place so the 2nd cheapest place to buy them should be Dresden...Plus all Prices in Dresden should be rock bottom... Omega 11, well, if you want to die... you can mine them, but since they are cheaper at the base than you can pay for nanobots, Freital is more cost effective for you, but inaccurate... the greater the risks the more people charge. Ronnenburg... charging the exact same as Freital, high Risk plus moving it to a different system.. should charge more. (Think of all the nanobots that must have been used, you probably use 5 per 1 cargo of Diamonds)
Cadiz Should be a 'Producer' per se and thier risk is only to kill the Hessian transport before it leaves Omega 5. If Cadiz was a 'Producer' cost shows approximate Risk.
Prices should be:
All Dresden Stations.. Any bases in Dresden should not be willing to pay for Diamonds, sells about same maybe 1% flux for 'Gas money'
Then Cadiz for the absolute lowest buy price & 'Produces' Item

and Why oh why does Darmstadt Depot in Stuttgart Sell Diamonds less than a Dresen station? Where do they get thier diamonds from?

Edit: Freital Base should have a High Sell price (to you) but refuse to buy Diamonds except very cheap. Maybe they'd pay you 176 to bring them diamonds but sell them to you at 500+

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Edited by - Ivellios on 27-09-2003 20:09:11

Edited by - Ivellios on 27-09-2003 20:09:42

Post Wed Oct 15, 2003 12:34 pm

Find the trade route topics

I was just going to dock when a dude came past me. Hit him and i died a quick death

Post Wed Oct 15, 2003 8:27 pm

Yeah, look for trade routes and prices and such. Back in the day before college took over my life, I compiled a nice list of trade routes, and even a map, although now that I think about it, I took the map off, oopsie!

Post Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:13 pm

as interesting as this discussion is, I think it should be in the spoiler forum. There are lots of people out there who are hunting for trade routes on their own and wouldn't appreciate stumbling onto this thread.

sorry, hate being the first to say it

on topic: there are 101 things wrong with the trading system in FL. It really is a shame, because if they'd made it a little more realistic and indepth ( which considering how long they spent on the rest of the game, I would have thought it would have been a minor detail to them), the game would have been inifinitely better. People still play elite just to trade because the system in that classic was so good...and thats almost 20 years old now! Ho hum.

Post Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:58 pm

gromit is right ! *swoosh to the spoiler forum*

Post Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:57 am

Can someone get the full list

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