There have been alot of theorys about how to best determine the turn radious of the diffrent ships. Your list is fairly accurate but there are some dicrepencies. Like fow can you think the dragon has better turning than the hawk? but all in all seames about right.

If I had a nickel for every time someone told me that my idea for melting down coins to make a giant robotic parrot was a bad idea, I would have one kicka$$ giant robotic parrot.

from what I can gather, the patriot is the most maneuverable ship I've tried..though it is weak as anything.

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Isn't there something in the ship ini file that determines the turn rate?
I only started mucking around with them a few days ago, but I remember reading through a tutorial that mentioned something about them.

There is definitely a post somewhere giving numerical values to the turn rates.

I've been away for a bit so i dont know how far it got but someone (sorry i forgot your name - respect for devising the experiment anyway....) set up a post with the following experiment for turn speed :

1. Launch to space

2. Face an obvious landmark

3. With the mouse all the way to the edge of the screen time how long it takes to complete 5 or 10 360 degree turns

4. Divide the number of degrees you turned by the number of seconds it took to get a 'degrees per second' rating for your ship

I can see any obvious flaws in this method and the stats he/she posted for the ships trialled seem reasonable. Trouble is mouse sensetivities/types would render scores from different people useless so someone would have to do them all or people would have to agree on a sensetivity setting. Maybe there could be a calibration standard - set up you mouse so that a Titan turns at 30 degress a second or something.

Or someone could dig them from the ini's....

Actually, there are 2 posts about Turn Speed in this forum:

"Turning speed of FL ships" by Parabellum posted 08-03-2003

"Ship manueverability points" by Lt Cmdr. Ajim posted 09-04-2003

In General Discussion Forum:

"Ship manueverability discussion/measurement" by Dragard posted 24-04-2003

I got these Turn Speed numbers (degrees per second) (approx.) from:

Freelancer Walkthrough/FAQ, Version 1.0 April 1, 2003
Copyright 2003 Jason Merrill, jason at apocalypseorg

Civilian Starflier LF 95
Liberty Patriot LF 90
Liberty Rhino FR 50
Pirate Bloodhound LF 70
Liberty Defender HF 70
Civilian Startracker LF 65
Border Dagger LF 70
B. Hunter Piranha LF 75
Pirate Mule FR 50
Bretonia Clydesdale FR 50
Bretonia Cavalier LF 75
Corsair Legionnaire LF 75
Bretonia Crusader HF 60
Kusari Drake LF 100
Border Dromedary FR 50
Kusari Drone FR 50
Civilian Hawk LF 75
B. Hunter Barracuda HF 75
Pirate Wolfhound HF 60
Kusari Dragon HF 60
Order Anubis VHF 60
Rheinland Banshee LF 75
Border Stiletto HF 60?
Rheinland Humpback FR 25
Civilian Falcon HF 80
BHunter Hammerhead VHF 60?
Corsair Centurion HF 60?
Civilian Eagle VHF 80
Border Sabre VHF 60
Corsair Titan VHF 60

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Edited by - Frobozz on 13-05-2003 19:44:54

Edited by - Frobozz on 13-05-2003 19:47:29

Thanks for the numbers. I'm surprised that the Dagger and Defender are listed as identical, though. I know the Dagger sure felt more maneuverable. Maybe it just seemed I wasn't getting hit as much in it due to its narrower profile. Who knows?

Cool to have those numbers. So the Sabre and the Titan turn at the same speed. Funny how perception can be fooled; I could have sworn that the Sabre was faster.

It is that lsit is wrong

the saber has a better turning speed, the rest of it looks ok apart from the sabre bit


If you see a Sabre running away from some police, just wave you'll know its me

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Thanks for the numbers. I'm surprised that the Dagger and Defender are listed as identical, though. I know the Dagger sure felt more maneuverable. Maybe it just seemed I wasn't getting hit as much in it due to its narrower profile.

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I feel the same way. Makes me wonder why I went to all the trouble to get a Dagger!

A possible test I think would be to let autopilot fly you from one end of Badlands to
the other & back (Texas Jumpgate 2 Magellan & back). Count how many times autopilot
bashes you into asteroids. Or do the spin thing.

I wonder where Jason got his #'s, from an ini?

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The figures aren't in a file as they are shown above, but I've read a thread in the modding forum that explains how to set up a ship from scratch and it dealt with which variables deal with manoeuvrability as well.

yep that listing is wrong.. the falcon and eagle don't have the same turning speed- falcon turns on a dime compared to an eagle.. and the sabre and titan have different turn speeds with sabre alot closer to the eagle.. think someone made those up lol- need some real stats on this

Just my input on that list.

Yes, the Falcon does turn on a dime. But it's just barely better than the Eagle. One of my projects has been building a decked-out Falcon to take on Class 10 ships, and I am routinely matched in maneuverability by the Eagle.

I also fly around a Centurion a lot, and I would definitely put it a step above the Sabre and Titan.

EDIT: did a raw test, score is exactly 60 deg/s.

I think we're missing another element here, but unfortunately it's harder to test for. What I'd like to know is acceleration numbers in deg/s^2.

The Titan off the line feels more sluggish than the Centurion, and I imagine their radial accelerations are different, even though their max radial velocities are the same. Gonna be tougher to test for though.

Edited by - defaultuser on 18-05-2003 08:14:22

the sabre defenatley has a better turning rate than it says on that list

"Make it so number one"

Captain Picard 'Star Trek the Next Generation'

defaultuser,

Even though it will be rather unprecise, you could measure the time for one 360° rotation, starting at zero rotation speed.

In a Dromedary, 5 turns with a "flying" start takes approx 35 seconds = 7 seconds per 360°. 1 turn with "standing" start takes approx 7.4 seconds. The difference of 0.4 seconds says somehing about the rotational acceleration.

Unfortunately, this method can only be used for slow turning ships. If used for comparison of light fighters, the measurement inaccuracy will eat up any significant differences.