thats nasty to hear. Get better soon. We'll see ya when you feel ok.

On a side note, it won't help one bit, but don't let things get to you. Your young and should be enjoying yourself! If your doing it, stop drink anything with a alchohol content, don't smoke and don't smoke weed. Then just stop giving a **** and sort out the cause of your problem.

Before you ask, i know what the feeling is like. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt as they say. Just remember there are people who you can talk to who *will* listen. Best people to talk to are those a lot older than you. They have experience

Sorry to hear that DSQrn

DSQ, I've suffered from depressions my whole life. Get professional help, now! True clinical depression is dangerous, and you can't just "will" it away. It's a metabolic condition, and untreated, could lead to many serious problems, one of which is suicide. Please, get help now! And don't isolate yourself. You'll find when you get honest about serious situations here, people will be here to help you. Please, do whatever it takes to get out of the depression, that means medically as well as psychologically. Anti-Depressants work. It may take a few tries to fing the one that works for you, but stick with it and you'll get over it. I can't say this enough: GET HELP NOW!

They have pretty pills for this sort of thing now...miracles of science. No just kidding, if you are serious about what you've posted then do as Boscoe says, consult a physician and don't just let it go. Its better to get this resolved now if you can then to leave it unchecked.


Merc for hire...but only if you can afford it.

True that, depression can be caused by a chemical imbalance in your brain. It's easy enough to fix and it happens to a lot of people. Contrary to the advice of others, if I get real depressed or stressed out over people or school I will go hang out with some mates for awhile and probably end up getting trashed. I don't know about you, but sometimes I get a hardtime at school because I'm an open Communist. Or because of other things. The important things to remember are, most of the time, the people who give you **** are most likely to end up packing boxes at McDonalds and are probably too retarded to understand politics like a few at my school which (sigh) is a jock school. Believe me, I would leave if I could.

Anyway mate, the important thing is to not let others get to you. And to seriously look at even visting a counsellor for advice

Hasta la Victoria Siempre -- Ever on to Victory

You are digging for the answers, Until your fingers bleed,
To satisfy the hunger, To satiate the need.
They feed you on the guilt, To keep you humble and low,
Some man and myth they made up, A thousand years ago.

Your a communist, Thats you, me, Loc, Orillion.net.

*sigh* what i do lie on my floor and look up at the ceiling. Or a vomit alot, that doesnt help its a effect..
This isnt caused by people i just feel very very terrible. The feeling i have is just so awful. I feel tired, tired of being in this world tired of existence tired of the same life over and over...
And i just stop caring... and i start feeling terrible. I'm missing school becuase of it and Boscoe im touched by your concern i really am, i do have a shrink to go to. and i know i cant fix it by sitting here and willing it off...

Well this is my last post on TLR for a while.

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sometimes I get a hardtime at school because I'm an open Communist.

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Well there's your problem...stop being a communist. It'll be amazing what that'll do for you.


Merc for hire...but only if you can afford it.

@MS: Oy!!

about being a Communist.. Hmmm... without going too deep into this, To hell with the ****faces that scold you for being a Communist in the open, they think most likely your so bad, because you don't support the ideals of the western world
(I know, and please, I don't want a political response on this one) anyway, the message you spread as a Communist, or a Socialist for that matter, is one of Tolerance and wanting to help your fellow people, doesn't matter if theyre black white red or purple with yellow polkadots, its about Equality, its about all people being brothers. the thing that they are bull****ting about, is just misunderstanding the thought behind it, I too, am a Commie in the open as you say, and get a daily dose of bull****, but I don't care, because when matters get hot, im there to help them and to show them what I am for, and that is what they find nice, os most of the Bull**** I get, is in Jest, or they wish to know my stand on a social-political matter.

@DSQ, Mate, if you wanna talk about it, just gimme a yank on the chain, and Im there for ya.

(if anyone didn't know already, I am Locutus (yes that invisible mod) I use this accounht to give my hearts content about certain matters, which would seem a bit awkward with me having that nasty admirals tag under my name, so I mean it, when I say that I don't wnat any poltical discussions after this post)

Hey Loc, good to see you again. (albeit in a pseudo personality). I'll be honest, I don't have anything against communism or socialism in general because I understand the goal of both systems. I don't think either of them are the best systems because of one reason. Human corruption. Corruption completely destroys the noble goal of communism/socialism (for purposes of brevity I'm combining the two, I do understand there is a significant difference betweenthem). Corruption also is a major setback to capitalism as well. I, by no means, feel that Capitalism is a perfect system. However between the three systems I have to give the nudge to Capitalism.

If you break these systems down, communism/socialism encourages laziness. (Why should I work any harder than my fellow neighbour since we both get the same proportion...) Capitalism encourages greed (How can I outdo my fellow neighbour...legally or otherwise). No system is perfect but I tend to think that a system that could combine all three elements would be quite interesting. America is probably the closest to this despite its label as "Capitalist America." We have several social programs that have their parallels in socialist countries such as Social security, welfare, unemployment, Medicare etc. By the same token we have a strong capitalist base which encourages creativity and hard labor...and the associated problems therein.

Whew, a little long winded and off topic but what I was trying to say was I don't hate socialists or communists for their philosophies because I agree with the philosophies 100% however since human nature is flawed it hurts the system.




Merc for hire...but only if you can afford it.

Communism is good on paper and theorie but in practice were human corruption taints it, it just falls apart.

well thanks MS, for providing me with knowledge I already knew, I was talking about the message it spreads, the complete philosophy behind it, the social adaptation stinks a bit, I know that, but in all ways well argumented MS ( I knew there was a reason why Wiz labeled me a fair substitute for you )

anyway, Communism in itself, isn't bad, considering the message it spreads, however, there is one fundamental difference between socialists and Communists.
Socialists, are much more oriented onto equalizing the rights for all, and trying by liberal means, to establish a government, that consists of workers, historically speaking, Communism, is a child of Socialism, However, both share the same grandfather<s>: Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, these two founded a movement called the social democracy, the movement still exists today, and believes in democratic evolutionary rather then revolution, it wants to establish a workers government that encompasses the rights for all, and wants all to have the equal share of a profit.

you have probably all heard the term Bolshevhik
Communism was "founded" at the party congress in 1903, where a majority of Voters (Bolshevhiki, means Majority voter) moved for more radical action, and had more radical views upon marxism, born was the marxist-leninist movement, Lenin took the core of Marxist theory, and improved it, Communism in itself, is based on needs, or as he (Marx) said it: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." (source Wikipedia.org) that is the basis of Communism, where your argument comes into view, I myself Follow Lenin, in the idea that the Communist Ideleogy should be spearheaded and propagated by the intellectuals and workers, organised in a Communist party.

Communists are more Revolutionary oriented, The Revolution is in itself a Means to form and establish a Proletarian dictature, as a transgression to the community, where all means of production are communal property, where there is no difference between you or your neighbour, you are all equal and each have an equal share.

Your argument, that of Communism promoting Lazyness, is in itself correct, but not fully correct, "Why work harder then my slackoff neighbour, when I get the same share handed out to me" you only forget one thing, the main Gaol of Communism in my view is to work to better the community, not for own benefit, by your own means, sure, the next man may not do as much as I do on a daily basis, but I work to better the community, I do not work for myself, I work for that next man, so he has a dinner for him his wife and six children, and so he can provide them with clothes, thats why I work, and that is for me the basis of Communism, to work for the next man, so he can provide them with what he needs, and in turn that guy before me does the same to me (in a communist Society that is )

(sorry for the long winded thesis, I hope its worth it, btw, sorry for the flag )

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As a Canadian, one might say I'm a bit more predisposed to "socialist" ideas and concepts, but by European standards many of our social programs leave much to be desired; in the late 1980s, Swedish people had no concept or word for "food banks" because they didn't need any. That was how strong their social safety net was (and probably still is).

I don't like seeing anyone get kicked when they're down, and that's what modern capitalism, unfortunately, can promote. Not necessarily out of malice, but simply out of a wrongheaded notion of what constitutes "efficiency". Our capitalist economies, in one sense, are so "efficient" that they can continue to produce the mounds of goods and services we all consume even with the drag factor of five to ten percent unemployment (which, from World War II until the 1970s, was rare).

In another sense, though, our capitalist economies are inefficient precisely because they promote this ongoing inequality. The problem is, it's considered inefficient only when it gets in the way of the fat cats and the big boys continuing to make money without being required to pay the freight for the society they live in.

The only people crying "unaffordable" are those who don't want to have to pay for the programs we run to make sure everybody gets a shot at staying in the system and having a stake in it.

Well, I don't want to get in the way of this little political debate, but I have something to say to my buddy DSQrn.

Suck it up and see a shrink!

Just kidding, and in all seriousness, I really think you should seek help for this. You are a great guy, and I really have enjoyed our interactions on the net. I do understand how you are feeling, as I have felt the same feeling before (although for a much shorter amount of time). I think that you are making a good choice in taking a break from the net for awhile and concentrating on RL, since it is what is really important. You really should seek some help, and I do know what I am talking about, as my dad is a neuropsychologist and I am familiar with aspects of psychology (which is terribly misunderstood by most people in the world). You really need to get help or advice for this as it can very easily develop into something far more serious. If you leave this untreated, it can, as Boscoe said, result in suicide or a serious mental illness that could kill you or affect you for the rest of your life.

It is REALLY important to me and everyone else here that you return to us as your usual self soon. I hope your recovery is quick, and I wish you the best in the future.

Edited by - ww2jacob on 4/6/2005 4:31:57 PM

dsqrn, been there done that, get help, don't wind up like me and have a scar on your wrist or worse. get help

Due to recent events in my life i will be scarce but still pop in now and then

Edited by - arton alpha on 4/6/2005 4:59:59 PM