@ grom, probably cos the mods cant work out wtf he is saying.

ok someone enlighten me, from a thread concerning our individuality, we so suddenly switch over to afterlife realms. i don't see the connection8), but it seems to me grom's having the time of his life.

lol. thanks kimk My point is that I too don't follow the relevance of Heltaks comments...confusing or not, they're not relevant.

The point is none of my posts ARE off topic and I'm not forcing my knowledge on anyone. Why believe in what you *know*?

Gromit you just have an acceptance issue, if I wanted to "force my beliefs" I would but I don't I am just brining my opinions on the matter of individuality to the table.

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Well, it's not really OT, because he's trying to point out that we each have a unique soul, which isn't influenced by genetics or upbringing, but that we are born with, which is, essentially, saying that Nature, which we are born with, means more than nurture. At least from what I could make out.

The argument behind nature and nurture is intrinsically flawed, however, because it is impossible to tell whether personal traits and tastes were there from when you are born, or were passed on from your parents during your upbringing.
Then again, many people are completely different from their parents, like me.


Well, this is my new sig. Small. Doesn't do any tricks either. No bouncing up or down or spinning... Bah. Youths these days, with all their bright lights and shiny wossnames...mumble....mumble.

Individuality....strange in todays world. All you here at work and else where is TEAM spirit, team work, ect. I clash a lot with this. I am and always will be an Individual. My phrase is I can play on a team, but I am not a team player. Or like Kirk said to Spock, "the needs of the one outway the need of the many." Its hard to be and stay an individual.

Right, your all unique and special in your own way.... just like everyone else.

"The present is theirs; the future, for which I really worked, is mine." - Nikola Tesla

im gonna be blunt on this... genetics dont mean squat. we all have certain traits common to humanity, but we are mostly the product of our environment, i know i am... Primary school for me was hell, so i became a quiet acheiver, but others who were popular are outgoing and somewhat arrogant. it isn't built into them from birth. The main influence comes from your parents, because they have control over you at the start of your life, and exert some of their traits on you. hence why certain people have similar personalities to their parents.
Im not discrediting genetics alltogether, im just saying that its not really a good defence if you commit a crime.

However, Individuality is in the eye of the beholder. certain people at my school try so hard to conform with current trends, and are slaves to the commercial world, and they complain to me about being lonely and depressed. however, those (like me) who defy current trends are usually more happy on the whole. I'll be the first to say i have an unusual dress sense, i wear ties nearly everywhere, and its a protest against the general youth rebellion against the older generation, as they reject the olds, i reject them and put myself in a thired group against the older generation (for creating this over-commercialised hell-hole) and at the younger generation (for continuosly falling slave to the older generation and becoming hypocrites)

I stand with a few (esky is one down with Coca-Cola Amtil!!!) who reject this over commercialised crap known as pop culture. but the few of us are the -true- individuals, those who make their own decisions on life, and aren't ruled by commercialism. but we dont try to force our beliefs down other's throats, and we accept all for what they are... its their choice. and i choose to ridicule those people who are slaves.

Viator

P.S. i might not be seen for a while... the feds are onto me=D
just kidding

Well, firstly wearing ties every where unless you're over 30 is NOT cool.
Second, I choose to abide by commercialism because it's useful insofar as it makes things cheap, but I don't follow trends. This doesn't however prove I am or am not an individual. I think that "Everyone is an individual, but some are more individual than others." Pretty much sums up the whole thing.


Well, this is my new sig. Small. Doesn't do any tricks either. No bouncing up or down or spinning... Bah. Youths these days, with all their bright lights and shiny wossnames...mumble....mumble.

Great. I bloody go away for 24 hours, and Heltak nearly gets my thread locked. Grrrr!!!

Taw/Grom/Etc - I agree; I think that it is a synthesis of the two, and I am aware that "nature vs. nurture" and individuality at separate, but they are related. Rather than rather than create two different topics, I thought that I'd throw it all together.

In terms of "individuality", I see it as more in terms of the social construct. You know, being an individual but also being part of a group. My question is, is it possible to maintain "true" individuality, and yet act a certain way within a group, and "play by their rules" as they say? If you are acting a certain way (eg. drinking) to be accepted, or at least be part of the group, are you losing your individual tendancies while trying to fit in? That is the question. If you acting a certain way due to peer-group pressure, or to maintain acceptance, are you truly being an individual, or are you just a follower?

Obvioiusly not a black and white thing, the interplay of genetic predisposition and environment.

BUT there are indications that some extreme genetic conditions that tend have more than a passing influence on a person's outcome. I.e., the Double Y teaming with an X chromosome that seems to have more than a passing statistical coincidence with "career" criminals.

On the other side of the fence, child abuse behavior. It is passed on from generation to generation, seemingly, but in the form of: Victims of child abuse, as parents, tend to abuse their own children as well, thus passing the environment of abuse on from generation to generation. For the most part, children of abuse who are caught in time and taught not to do so do not abuse their own children who then do not grow up to be abusive parents.

Edited by - Indy11 on 5/29/2004 8:00:37 AM

I AM THE INDIVIDUAL!!!

at least i hope so...
Seriously, it is a possible to belong to a 'group' who accepts people for what they are, and not what they want them to be. Most of the time, the stronger 'players' in groups, cliques or whatever, are heavily influenced by the mass media and the commercial pop music scene. The true individuals are those who have their own standards and live by them, not betraying them for a second. Sadly, most of these people are loners or are outcasts, forming their own cliques. (yes. i assosiate with them... big whoopie)

and i dont really care what youse people think of my tie. its mine and you cant stop me. bwahahahahaha!

Viator

I am/was part of a group where everybody was individuals, the main reason why we were friends, i think was because we were all so different from everybody else and we could accept each other for what we are and dont expext the others to be a certain way or do certain stuff to make them accptable

ps I havent read any posts but the last and a bit of the first

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ps I havent read any posts but the last and a bit of the first

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That was probably a good decision. *Glares at Heltak*