presumably there will be some kind of snitch line where kids can ring up and grass up their parents, bit like that "Childline" thing we have now but this time it's straight through to the cop shop.

so let's hypothesise. my kid goes out with his mates, goes larking about, comes home very late after I've been worried sick, I tell him off, he gives me some right old lip. I clip him round the ear, he calls up the snitch line, tells em I've been kncking him about, a few hours later I'm down the copshop and in a magistrates court being told how to bring up my kids by some middle-class fool and then spend the next few years being visited by namby-pamby social workers. yeh that's a vote winner. Not.

..you shut your mouth, how can you say, I go about things the wrong way..

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a few hours later I'm down the copshop and in a magistrates court being told how to bring up my kids by some middle-class fool and then spend the next few years being visited by namby-pamby social workers. yeh that's a vote winner. Not.

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Unfortunately - thats about the truth. Children (heck adults do too - but not this way) will take out "vengence" by doing this. Lets face it, sometimes when i was smacked, if i thought i could get my own back as i didn't see what was wrong, i might well have done. However, some will see it as a semi deterrant.....they may threaten to report you for smacking them. Lets face it, in todays society - chances are the parent will be taken to court - all because the kid is selfish. Some say its the way to bring children up - if its done right - then they will never need a smacking. I say that children are born curious - and will try anything. As a parent - you aren't just there to protect them from others, but to protect them for their own ignorance or lack of knowledge (ie - from themselves).

Without parental guidance as to what is right/wrong and dangerous/safe, children would have a very low survival rate. A quick clip to teach that some things may hurt is good, get rid of this and the chances are that it may all go horrilby wrong in society. Like Taw said, if you cannot give them a clip when they come to the arguementative years of teenagers - when everything is unfair to them, then imagine what would happen. I know very few kids who would go to school if there were no punishment methods against them NOT going!

Edited by - Chips on 5/20/2004 2:54:31 AM

Well, I was smacked once or twice as a child, and it did me no harm.
I've always thought the law to be FAR to easy on children, but I think justice should apply to everyone, not just those above a certain age (well, under 5s should be treated differently, but still...).
For instance, those 11 year olds who killed a baby should have still been shot (the death penalty, I still think is the one bastion of all that is good in the world, and those idiots who banned it have obviously not met the kind of people it would apply to, otherwise they'd they'd shoot them themselves, but anyway...) instead of simply put under witness protection, which technically isn't even a punishment.

OK, that was pretty off topic.
What I mean to say, is that justice should be hard, strict and, whenever possible, deadly. Already we are witnessing the effects of a generation brought up knowing they can do pretty much anything they like, and it's only going to get worse. People must be taught respect for law and other people from as early an age as possible.

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I slap my kid on the butt if he does sth wrong - not that it hurts much, but it works as a warning. However, I believe that if you apply bodily punishment, the kid M<UST knoww what it's for - I 've just spent half a night trying to soothe my son, 'cause he got slapped by my mother in law and he didn't know what for. As she wasn't able to explain it either, I was really p*ssed off. Morale: kids deserve to be punished from time to time, but it must be for a reason, and the reason must be explicitly stated. Speaking of laws, it's just plain dumb - some smart kids may even go as far as to blackmailing the parents. In general, I think that most laws are overprotective and are just asking for abuse.

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As a kid I was smacked once or twice - but I deserved every bit of it. My parents never hit me, never abused me in any manner, but I knew for sure that if I did something reeeaaallly bad I would be lining myself up to get my arse smacked. I'm not talking red raw, belts, slippers, canes or anything like that - I'm talking about just enough for it to sting when I sat down.

But thats my point....it was the THREAT of the smacking that was the most powerful thing. If you take away that threat by making it illegal - and the kid knows it - you are asking for a whole world of trouble. IMHO it may even have a knock on effect and you could find that eventually (when the kids grow up) the crime rate raises as a direct result of it.

Now before there's an outrage in me saying that, I want to point out that smacking is NOT the only way to go about things - but for a large portion of the population it works, so they do....which means removing that option could have a massive knock on effect.

When I have kids, I'm not sure if I'll smack them when they're really bad. I don't know, I'm not in that position yet. I'd like to think that I'll be a good enough parent to avoid having to resort to it - but publicly removing the option is not a good idea at all in my opinion.

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In the original Post I found something about giving Kids the same rights as adults.
I cannot think of a More idiot Idea, it would beasicly mean that if your Kid screws up, anywhere, the kid is fully responsible for its own acts... imagine a kid of four years old, goes happily playing along, until something very awry happens. ohh Boy, thats a sh*tty, he has no insurance of his own or anything that could cover him, and he has to pay a few thousands worth of financial compensation.... and that for a 4-year old???

Furthermore, it contradicts with an international guideline: The international rights for children.
these in it self are sometimes contradictory but lets not discuss that at all.
but one guideline specifically: A child as the Right for Protection, that guideline basicly sweeps the whole plan. Because that guideline gives children all around the world LESS rights then adults. and for good measure, namely their own protection.

Edited by - Locutus on 5/20/2004 1:43:26 PM

Personaly I think this law is absurd. what next you can't ground childern or take away thier privliages like TV or computer? I was never smacked as a child becasue My parents took away TV time and That taught me my lesson not to be bad.

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I recommend reading "The Road to Damascus" by John Ringo (I think). It's part of the Bolo series and this particular one describes a society where laws like this and the logical next steps are passed. It's not a horror novel but it scared me spitless because I could see it starting to happen in the U.S.

I just remembered a great quote: Children's brains are in their butts. For proper learning to occur, the correct stimulus must be provided.

For what we are about to receive may we all be truly thankful. - Ancient Navy Saying

Edited by - SpaceNut on 5/21/2004 9:46:57 AM

This is a mark of lazy government. Corporal punishment has been an issue for the longest time. Its abuse by some parents for even longer.

Rather than administer a law to prosecute genuinely health or life threatening child abuse practitioners, many laws passed now days are meant to take the
judgment and discretion for prosecution out of the hands of the law enforcers so that all they have to do is check off a box, so to speak, and just arrest people whose behavior meets a broad definition of proscribed behavior.

I havent read any replied, there are too many
I feel smacking is a good thing, to bring school into it, I've seen how much worse it's goin in schools since smacking was removed


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Dunno what "smacking" is, im Swedish. Is it like, hitting someone? Is it similar to our *twacks*?

Smacking, spanking, swatting, taking a switch"'and you had to pick your own" all the same. It has been stated, that if they ban it, and you made your child angry enough, he/she could lie and say you hit them to get you in to trouble. DFCS would take your children away while they investigate, and, no matter how it ends, you are under more scrutny from then on.

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Smacking might be banned

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What? You mean I wont be able to smack my b*tch up anymore? :p


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