See, this is why there should be a population control on Aussies who visit the forums.

Give it 15 years and your cars will have the nuts cut off by the environmentalists who would rather use the power in their political message over any amount of common sense. That's my opinion, not the start of a debate.

Sir S

Do you really want to go there my old ghost-writing chum?

1: Power - The majority of US built cars are lacking some, shall we call it, oomph. The majority of US sedans (saloons) have a big four cylender or small six cylender engine. The stock Falcon, made by ford, runs a 4.1 litre six. (which, might i add, puts you in your seat). And before you start on corvettes and vipers, the aussie muscle car is experienceing a rebirth. The Holden Clubsport, and the Falcon GT and GT-P (although bitter rivals here, strange that they're on the same side...) could out-gun nearly any american car in the same weight class. (dont start on the viper, its just a truck engine on wheels)

are you kidding....look at trucks like the f150 and up, 4x4s....SUVs....


2: Rear-Wheel Drive - Australian sedans are one of the few cars made now with rear wheel drive. this is awsome in the performance factor, giving unrivaled performance and stability.

RWD is the worst drive, ever try driving a RWD on a rainy road....


3: Four Doors - Not only do australian cars go, but they also have the ability to take the family along with you when you hoon. or plenty of room if you want to get busy in the back seat. wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more...

*cough cough* windstar *cough cough*


4: Durability - Australian cars take a hell of a beating before they go down. the majority of import cars disentergrate in half the time a falcon or commodore takes.

thats only because they build them like that because they know you are all terrible drivers and always manage to crash into lightposts while parking




Edited by - parabolix on 5/8/2004 8:43:24 AM

I think Viator's got something here. I mean when you're in the US and you see an Aussie car next to a US car....Oh!....wait....

Supersnipa......don't do that again - using a 1 instead of an i to get round the filter. Think about it, there is a reason for the filter - so what on earth gives you the right to ensure YOUR swear is seen on the forums. I am astounded by your lack of judgement. This IS a friendly site/forum - but don't let that fool you into thinking you can kick off shoes and start to swear like a trooper. The site is a recognised family site. No more of that thankyou!!!!

This really is more a statement on the general social dynamics of the two countries. Cars still are a big thing in the US but not so central to our identity that we have to think about whether our cars are better than anyone else's. This "mine's bigger'n yours" routine is passe. NASCAR is the biggest spectator sport in the US by far and those are all rear-wheel drive setups, V-8s, etc. This level of racing reflects, lower down in the amateur levels, the same desire to put big iron under the hood, drive the rear-wheels and go like a bullet.

For the records, we've got V-8s, V-10s and V-12s to stuff under hoods of many a stock road-ready car. Heck the legendary Chrysler hemis are back as well. The fact that you have to require this comparison to be conducted at the exclusion of American class muscle cars kind of undermines your argument.... the point of which is still a little lost on me.

Congratulations on your muscle cars, though. Car mania is a lot of fun if not a little expensive.

Sure the yanks may not have a big six, but who honestly gives a crap about the performance figures of a mid range family mobile. All most johnny punchclocks care about is airbags and fuel economy, which the yank cars provide that admirably and those big fours punch out usable amounts of power. Although I must admit I am a fan of the new Falcon DOHC 6, lots of grunt, but the first thing I’d be doing is jamming some extractors on it, they sound like crap.
The clubsport is running the LS-1 engine originally found in the Corvette, the GT and GT-P are running a (American made, Australian Modified) Boss V8's, that will probably make it's appearance in the new Mustang. And why not start on the Viper? Sure it's a truck engined, poorly built heap, but it could still blow the doors of anything made here.

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2: Rear-Wheel Drive - Australian sedans are one of the few cars made now with rear wheel drive. this is awsome in the performance factor, giving unrivaled performance and stability.

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The americans are still building plenty of rear wheel drives. Besides the performance factor is actually relatively minor, id personally be more concerned about the performance of my tyres than whether my car was front or rear wheel drive. However both have thier benefits and disadvantages eg rear wheel drives actually have more of a habit of unloading the front wheels under acceleration which gives rise to understeer.

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3: Four Doors - Not only do Australian cars go, but they also have the ability to take the family along with you when you hoon. or plenty of room if you want to get busy in the back seat. wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more...

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Yep, you always want to take the family when your driving dangerously. I drive like a grandma when I've got anyone in the car. Something about visiting someone’s parents to tell them you killed their child cause you were doing something stupid, doesn't really appeal to me.
As for getting busy I'd prefer to the deed in the back of a Yank SUV, believe me aussie sedans are no more conducive to fornication than any other car.

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4: Durability - Australian cars take a hell of a beating before they go down. the majority of import cars disentergrate in half the time a falcon or commodore takes.

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Australians would like to believe this fact but it is simply is not. The quality of the build and design ensures reliability, Australian manufacturers are achieving this but they really are no better than the Americans. Hell, my VR Commodore had it's trans detonate at 150,000 km. Plus the Commodores are full of design faults, Iron engine block and Aluminium radiator, anyone with a half working knowledge of chemistry knows that iron chews through aluminium like crap through a goose. I've had to replace the entire thing with a copper radiator.

I'm glad you like to promote the Australian car industry Viator, because it has become a very good one over the past few years, internationally as well as locally. But don't go trying to admonish another countries industry because chances are a lot of our parts or design bases have come from there.


Edited by - Mustang on 5/8/2004 5:25:43 PM

I never knew there was one. I thought it was just people that regulated it. Sorry

The reason im posting this is cos alot of people i know, i admit, they're americans, but not all of them, are continuously putting down the aus car industry. its just me defending my country. (id go into it more, but it would be called political, and hence *clicked* very quickly)

@Sir S: you're right, my generation is probably the last of the high powered generation, with LRP being phazed out, LPG being taxed, and the petrol prices going through the roof. Rods and street machines are slowly declining in numbers .

@Parabolix: SUVs, to me, are the tool of the devil. they're big, chunky and a pain to see around. (i wont add that most who drive them are middle aged people with no respect for other road users). the new F150 is a monstrosity. its ugly, oversized and well, ugly. No. 2: You obviously havent tried driving a heavy front wheel drive car in the rain. many a street sign removed. plus, whats your basis on our driving technique? where is your proof? (and if you base it on tv ads, im going the *thwack* you.)

@kaegogi: what exactly do you mean by that?

@Indy: The reason i left out the cars like corvettes and Vipers was cos they are in a diffferent weight class, plus being coupes and all. The GT-P could stand pretty much toe-to-toe with a corvette or Mustang. wait, it could down the mustang, not sure about the vette. and i already made my comment about the viper.

@Mustang: Personally im a ford man, so im not suprised about the commodore eating through the radiator.
I must point out, since Ford aus has got their mitts on the Boss 290 (i know, its from the US) they've realised more of its potential. if i had figures id use them. i cant really comment on the clubsport, since as i said, im a ford man.
The four door thing: I never meant to say that you take the family when hooning. its so you have 1 car for both family trips, and for a little bit of dangerous driving. but not at the same time. its a cost effective measure. and ive already put down my two cents on SUVs.

Id just like to point out that alot of american racing teams are buying Australian mad Cleavland V8 engines, because of their durability. the american made ones seemed to disintergrate in half the time of the aus ones.

anyway, thats my dollar and a half.

Viator


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"i have found that poking people is ultimately more fun than anything in the world. especially when i poke kaine."

I live in Seattle. (point being, lots of rain and oil slicks) I get better traction in my rear-wheel drive car than most others.

As for power.... Ford 302 (5.0l V8) @ 230+HP

The only bad things about my car are

1.Stereo
2. Gas Guzzeler (~14 MPG)
3. Fore mentioned gas==> Requires Premium (92 grade) Wont run well without it.
Filled up the other day, $2.35/gall. I have a 18 Gallon tank... Yieks.

@Vi

Shoot. Even Indy cars use foreign built engines as it is. Clevelands coming from Oz is no surprise. Cosworth's been supplying racing engines in the US for donkey's years.

Of course, the NASCAR world is a tad different in that regard, Champ cars too. Don't know who these Americans are but I couldn't figure out where or how, in TLR, this would have become an issue.

PS You forgot our big boy cars, Ford Crown Vics, Mercury Marquis, etc. Also, does Chrysler sell anything in Oz? Their hemi v-8s are really something. They got so good that Ford wrangled a political deal with NASCAR, this is back in the 60s, to get them outlawed.

jake we dont put down aussie cars....we deny they even exist

Deny them all you want parabolix. we'll be there to SMOKE YOU!!!
jk!

Viator

Next time you come state side, we will show you what are cars have the capability of doing.