Jay and Silent Bob is a very cool movie...although its my least favourite of Kevin Smith's movies, it still ranks up there for me. Dogma, Chasing Amy, Mallrats, Clerks....all better for me....but still a great movie.

I can't defend lost in translation because I haven't seen it....but I was p*ssed off about one comment you made...

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"my daddy is a famous director who made pornos in the 70s so gimme an award"

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errr...excuse me!!....The Godfather Trilogy??!!The Conversation?? Apocalypse Now??? WTF?!??!!! Fair enough to slag HER off...but not him thankya very mooch

I'd have to say Chasing Amy was Kevin Smith's best flick. I do have a thing for Joey Lauren Adams which probably sways me a bit, but it appeared to me that it was a much more personal film for him and it really showed.

By the way am I alone in the world and thinking that Francis Ford Copolla is overrated? Some of his work is good but I wouldn't call it genius the way everyone masturbates over his stuff.

couple of things:
Jay and silent bob is probably the worst of the askewverse films. Its to basic, too stupid, too holywood. theres no goddamn point to this film just point after point of blatant self referencing and cultural references. Give me Clerks of Chasing Amy any day of the week over this. Sure its funny, but as for film longevity, i could live with not seeing it again, at least it explained where suzanna came from in Mallrats.


Lost in Translation is totally ****ing amazing you fool. Its not about Japan, its about lonliness, isolation, being somewhere you cant get out of on your own, be it a place or a situation in your life. Its an extremely personal movie to Sophia and despite the loads of shots where its just someone standing/sitting with nothing to say (and theres a lot) it just adds to the dialogue when it IS there. This film is different and youve gotta see it as that, not as "the adventures of two americans in japan" but as "the friendshop of two lonly americans in a really alien environment". Japan is just used for storytelling, this could be anywhere. the real substance of this film is the relationship the two share which i just found to be brilliant and natural.
Also, Copolla never made porn you dick.


"Ambition makes you look pretty ugly.
Kicking, screaming, gucci little piggie"

fine the godfather movies (1and 2) were good but they arent
check your facts ARCON!
oh yes he DID!
in college he directed two soft core movies, while they werent hard core they were still porn!
LiT was not was NOT a comedy as it was awarded for. it mighta been a drama but not a comedy, genious? no. everyone i know who saw it thought it was not worthy of a golden globe, for the comedy it was too few and far between throughout.

a rather unfair assessment, sl, I have to go with Arch on this. LiT has some moments of weakness and the hospital scene is particularly pointless, but other than that it's a fine film that's a wry observatiuon on the friendship of two alienated co-nationals lost in a n other country. As Arch says, it doesn't have to be Japan, but I think Japan is a great choice because it is such a bonkers place, and the familair icons of western culture are little more than a veneer and serve to confuse..

I really wouldn't criticise Sofia Coppola's direction, it's more than competent, any flaws in the film are imho the result of the screenplay as distinct from direction. And you shouldn't criticise her because of her father, because although she's no genius, she's not crap. And it's also unfair to criticise a director or actor for making porno flicks when they were younger as for many this is the only way they get into the business; my problem is with the hypocritical ones like Victorian Principles who lie, deny they ever did it and chide others for doing it.

it's not a comedy in the gut-splitting sense, but it has enough comic moments to be classed a s such. Any sense of frustration and confusion you get watching it is meant to make you empathise with the plight of Scarlett and Bob and why the only "anchoring" they get in their lives turns out to be from each other. It's one of the few romantic comedies that I can actually sit and watch.

well, i haven't seen Chasing Amy yet, but for me they rank up as follows:
Dogma, Jay and Silent Bob, Mallrats, Clerks

i'm sure when i do see Chasing Amy, it will be better than Clerks...i didn't like that movie at all

Kyp

The other day, in study hall, i farted really loud, you know...so the guys would laugh...and i swear it was so hanus that Susie Johnson almost ralphed up her salsbury steak.
it was freakin sweet...

oh,and Lost in Translation is hilarious. Bill Murray rocks

Kyp

The other day, in study hall, i farted really loud, you know...so the guys would laugh...and i swear it was so hanus that Susie Johnson almost ralphed up her salsbury steak.
it was freakin sweet...

@slace: Well if you think that he was at the directorial status of making "Patton" by 1970, saying he was making porn films in the 70s was something that would make me say to you "check your facts". And ANYWAY, Ridley scott started out making the Hovis Adverts so it makes no difference where they start out, tallent is talent and there's nout wrong with porn.

LiT is brilliant and i guess when you chart J&SB and Dogma as your fave Kevin Smith films then im not that suprised you didnt really like it. Your tastes are far different to mine it seems and so trying to get you to see what i see when i watch it is going to be nigh impossible.

I think Dogma is the best Kevin Smith movie. I also liked Mallrats. I recently bought the Clerks Cartoon series, only 6 eps long! It's great, sucks that they didn't make more.

Life: No one gets out alive.

I'm seeing Kevin Smith here in Toronto on March 12. Hooray for your friendly neighbourhood bounty hunter

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And yes, Dogma is the best Kevin Smith movie. Anyone who says otherwise, rend the collector's dvd and watch the deleted scene of Azrael explaining Hell.

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wanna learn to use "edit" in future n00b3h?
Dogma ISNT the best in the series so THERE! Chasing Amy and Clerks are. in THAT order. Clerks Cartoon was canned because the studio said "hang on, this is crap" and cut it. Kevin smith needs to stop trying to be every geek's representative because some of us...me, for example, dont like it.

Clerks is by far the best he's ever done. Even if he'd done nothing else, Clerks would stand out as one of the most original films of the last few years. Haven't seen Chasing Amy yet so i can't comment on it.

Edited by - Tawakalna on 2/24/2004 12:31:15 PM