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Variable Fee''s

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Post Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:37 am

Variable Fee''s

have you heard the news, universities have won the chance
to have variable fees, they won by just five votes,
this means that i will have to fork out more than people
a few years ago

how do you Soon-to-be-in-uni Kids feel about this

i am pissed off, when i go to uni i will have to pay LOADS



I like Morrowind!

Post Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:51 am

Its an interesting one. I had to take 4 student loans when I was at uni...racked up £8000+ (not including a £2000 overdraft)....my girlfriend had the same but then had to pay her way through law school, which if ya don't know, is another £20,000. Between us we amounted over £40,000 debt because we wanted to go to uni. We've been paying it off on so-called professional salaries for 6 years now....and we still have more than £20,000 to go....thing is, soon we'll be talking about kids and the government can quite frankly kiss that money goodbye. There's no way we can pay both.

To be honest, the debts have always been bad...its not a new argument. When you hit the £5000, it doesn't make much of a difference after that....you're in debt for life unless you hit the jackpot or score that 1 in a million £150,000 pencil sharpening job. Don't be fooled by the "low interest rates"....its all bull****, read the small print.

Sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but its true. So the only question you should be asking yourselves is "Do I want to go to university?" and if the answer is yes, just bloody go for it. You'll have the rest of your life to worry about the money.

Post Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:30 pm

<hmph> 2.5 yrs from I'll be having to pay for me daughter to go AND Carol said "no student loans, we don't want her in debt," so we, meaning I, have to shell out for it. Oh yeah I'm getting her a car next yr apparently, I didn't know anything about it

and I'm not going to be paid back either. bah!

Post Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:39 pm

aaaah give her the debt man...it gives you a bit of inner strength

Post Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:17 pm

It is known that averagely, "free" (state-sponsored) unis are much lower in quality of education than the paying one.

Post Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:22 pm

yeh, it's not fair that the government can just expect us to pay more to go to university. i think that even raising taxes would be better than top-up fees, and the government would have money spare that they could spend on universities if they hadn't gone to war in iraq

Post Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:54 pm

I'm never going to have any piggin' money! waaaah-aaahhh!

Post Tue Jan 27, 2004 3:09 pm

Oh yeah? Well the Australian Government passed a law not long ago, allowing Universities to jack up their fees in 2005! I'm glad I've finished my studies or esle I would get mad! Damn greedy bastards! So much for "free education".

Post Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:22 am


i think that even raising taxes would be better than top-up fees


whatever psycho...you can say that because students are the only ones who don't have to pay taxes!! I don't want to pay for your education! I'm still paying for my own!!!!

EDIT: Aaahemmm....isn't this thread "POLITICAL"?

Edited by - gromit on 1/28/2004 3:22:35 AM

Post Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:52 am

mwhahah - i recently graduated.......and am currently sat on the vast fortune of being 20,000 pounds in debt.

University is not going to break the bank for you, unless they put it up to 5k of tuition fees.

Perspective. UNLESS you get a 2.1 or above, the job prospects are crap. Regardless of what papers say, nearly all jobs that require you to be a graduate will be asking for a 2.1 honours degree, in a decent subject (not philosphy - that is a waste of space study, trust me. Friends did it, and had to do a masters to get employed (media studies)).

The thing that breaks the bank, is trying to have a social life.

Thats right - if your smoking - quit. you will save at least a grand.
You will go out nearly every night, go shopping in the expensive shops for clothes (as you try to keep up with "fashion", and suddenly find out that in your SECOND year that you really don't want to be associated with first years, so you will go to expensive bars, restaurants, and try to almost become "cultured"

Truth is you will spend around 5k a year on drinking.

I did it, and nearly failed a degree due to too much drinking. Only problem is that although it was the best year ever, my next three years suffered. I didn't do the "poncy i am soooo cultured" thing, but stayed firmly in an alcoholic haze instead for all years.

If you don't go out every night, but only once a week, you will have more than enough money. Don't drink 5 quid cocktails or other stuff, down beer in a flat and go out lathered, and its cheap. There are cheap nights, but they are only cheap as long as you don't buy all your mates drinks, and don't have 20 pints either.

I have graduated, and to be honest - the tuition fees will hopefully stop people doing truly pathetic courses - like Golf Studies, David Beckham studies, and.....yup.....the course that even munchkins can get on - philosophy.

So - do a decent course, pick unis carefully, and don't go overboard on going out/clothes/trying to be posh, and you will be fine. You can easily afford the top up if its only to 3k by just NOT GOING OUT.

Personally, i am not sceptical - i support the increase in tuition fees - mainly as i saw a right group of wastes of space at uni. Poeple so dumb they couldn't work anything out if they tried. They got into courses where you only needed a few E's at A-Level to get in. They then pissed up all thier money up the wall, moaned that they are paying to much, and started fights when drunk. These guys should never have got in to do sports science, and maybe this will start to keep a degree from being "a thing for the masses" back to actually being worth something. Right now, degree qualifications are going fast downhill. They are becoming worthless unless its a decent course, or you get a 1st.

I did colour chemistry and polymer physics. A tough but interesting course. Nearly any chemistry job i go for wanted a 2.1 at least, and 90% want someone with 2 years lab experience (not uni lab work, proper research). Unfort, i now don't want to stay in chemistry -mainly as i could earn more working for McDonalds than using my Degree.................

It aint the fees that are crippling students at the moment (or in the near future), its their lifestyle. When we had 5 nights out a week at 30 quid a time - that is when the debts rack up.

Post Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:53 pm


<hmph> 2.5 yrs from I'll be having to pay for me daughter to go AND Carol said "no student loans, we don't want her in debt," so we, meaning I, have to shell out for it. Oh yeah I'm getting her a car next yr apparently, I didn't know anything about it

and I'm not going to be paid back either. bah!


Bah, me folks made me pay for everything. I put myself through school and paid for my own car, they helped me out with interest free loans but that's about it. Best thing they ever did to, taught me self reliance.

Post Wed Jan 28, 2004 8:03 pm

I had to use HECS. Now I have a huge debt that will haunt me for many years .

Post Wed Jan 28, 2004 8:21 pm

tsk tsk *shake head in disaproval*
do you know not of scholarships?

- Wolf_Demon - aka wolfy, wolf, king of odd, king of spam, and twonk

Post Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:50 pm

No-one offered me one! I scored in the top 10% of school leavers (a bit higher than 10% actually), but no-one offered me anything. Cheap bastards.

Post Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:15 pm

yes, those bastards

- Wolf_Demon - aka wolfy, wolf, king of odd, king of spam, and twonk

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