Couldn't we just copy Futurama:

You can't go faster than the speed of light, thats immpossible!
Correct. That's why we increased the speed of light!



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Time for me to Butt-in

Good I will not begin about my beliefs because those still are not proved yet, Plus If I state them now this Discussion will close because It would last very long

First Before you can determine a speed can you determine Light itself
How does light move??? what does light look like if we were able to look at it more closely, If I were to follow The theory of relativety it would say that light consists of Packets of Photons moving in a wave pattern, and everything that moves in wave patterns has a frequency. Thus far Einsteins theory has proven worthy.

Next, If the speed of light was the uttermost fastest speed known in the universe, there wouldn't be a number big enough to describe that speed,
For all we know it could be 42,... 42.10^99 Km/sec.

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Nothing massed can travel at lightspeed because Special Relativity works and division by zero is undefined. Massless particles (photons) can only travel at lightspeed. No charged particle travels superluminally or we would see Cerenkov radiation in vacuum. Uncharged massless superluminal particles are called tachyons. The math says that more they lose energy the faster they go. This is an unphysical situation.

Einsteins Special Theory of Relativity is the key here. To make an object accelerate from rest to any speed, we must expend some energy (by using a rocket engine, say). For low speeds (much less than the speed of light which is 300000 km per second), an increase in the energy expended results in a reasonable increase in the speed of the object. However, as the SR theory says, when the object is traveling at very large speeds (= a considerable fraction of the speed of light), then an additional expenditure of energy will not result in as large an increase in speed as it would have at lower speeds. In other words, we have to expend quite a bit of energy to increase the speed by only a little bit, if the rocket ship is already traveling fast. If the rocket ship is traveling at 95% of the speed of light, a trememdous amount of energy will be necessary to make it travel at 96% the speed of light. In trying to make it travel at the speed of light, we would need to expend an infinite amount of energy, we can't make it travel at the speed of light.

This has been proven using electrons in a particle accelerator.

Anyway, someone was talking about time dilation. Does anyone know, if you were travelling a reasonable fraction of the speed of light, and time slows down the nearer you get to the speed of light, would time eventually stop? Isn't this what happens as an effect of gravitational time dilation as seen when a body enters a black hole? Would the person on board perceive this? An observer certainly would.

/thinks it's like some horrible nightmare... I'm trapped in a 3 month old thread...

heheheh, a little revision is always good for the mind

OK, so how fast is the speed of dark?

just something to think about

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Dark is not an object, but a lack of light...
I would say at the speed of light.
This is because light moves at the speed of light... and when something moves in the way, light moves away from it until it all hits something and is absorbed, and filling the void is dark.

The only possible way to travel faster than light, without some sort of extra-temporal support, is when the speed of light or c is undefined, or infinite.
This would define einstien's light laws obsolete and unneeded.

But that isn't going to happen anytime soon.

With constant acceleration at a oneg level, according to a graphic calculation, at approximatley .7 times the speed of light, provided that you are still accelerating, time will stop, and begin running backwards, provided you are still accelerating at a sufficient level.
One c is achieved by the accelerating object, time elapsed from launch is 0, and will become an complex number once c is exceeded.

according to einstiens theorey of relativity, once you obtain a significant fraction of c time runs slower, your length becomes shorter, and your mass increases, it is quite impossible to carry enough fuel to acelerate the object enough to exceed c , and even if you did, you would become a moving singularity once you crossed the light barrier, you mass would be 1/0 or infinite, your length would be 0, and time ratio would be 0:1.

Methods of extra-Temporal support are theoretical and varied, they include: black holes, wormholes, hyperdrive, linear BS jump drive, hyperspace window generator, etc. i dont have enough space to describe them all

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linear BS jump drive

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I knew they were working on a battleship, with a jumpdrive no less...

Edit: Damn spelling.

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Edited by - Nickless Z3 on 1/20/2004 12:49:36 AM

is it possible to go faster then the speed off light into a heavily massed object, sug as a black-hole???

the gavitation of it is enormous, so when already flying in that direction, and the gravitation will pull u also into the black-hole, wouldn't you accelerate to an enormous speed with may be faster then light???

i wouldn't test it myself, but if this would be done, and will get faster then light, how the h*ll they wanna get a lock on how fast the thing is going???

also, when the test-pilot done it, their is no way back, co'z it's an 1-way-trip only

ps. i don't say getting faster then light is possible or is impossible... i only say this to wanna hear what others think about this


i can see the next line off the job board already;

Searching for a test-pilot
We wanna test our newest type off machine, we search for someone who will be prepaired to give his live for the research if something goes tirrible wrong.

The test-pilot will be maybe the first men/women who will get faster then the speed off light. We will prepair the pilot for how to use the ship when the auto-pilot doesn't works anymore.

I hope that you be the one who wanna fly this ship faster then the speed off light

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wow... i have been gone a long time.

the thing with the black hole tho. -:*THEORETICALLY*:- if you speed near a black hole and followed the spin of the gravity well, you could indeed go faster than the speed of light. and back in time.

i apologise for any fried brains, angry people, or dumasses* angered by this thread.

edit: the reason ive started this again is cos i only joined lancers very recently so i haven't read all the old threads. now... back to 'dark side of the moon'. lol

jake

*just kidding

Edited by - jake_langley on 1/29/2004 10:44:36 PM

no, jake, you wouldn't.

And, SHAME ON YOU FOR RESURECTING OLD THREADS

DOUBLE SHAME ON YOU FOR RESURECTING OLD THREADS


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FTL travel IS possible, just you cannot accelerate to the speed of light. Only something already at the speed of light, or faster, could exceed the immense speeds.

Scientists theorize that Tachyons travel faster than the speed of light.

I wonder if that's why the Outcasts seem to appear from nowhere?

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