Help required with LAN

Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:27 pm by cardam|ne

OK then, one for Taw! My dad and I have been trying to set up a LAN for a while now, so that me and my sister can use the internet for MSN, Kazaa, and the like on the laptop, because my dad is a bit paranoid that I'll break his PC!?!

My dad's PC runs Windows 2000 (no updates), and the laptop runs Windows 98SE (fully updated). My dad uses Zone Alarm Pro for his firewall, and has allowed access to his PC from the laptop so it can access the Internet.

He previously used WinRoute Pro as the Router, which is very technical and difficult to use, so he switched to Sygate Home Network, which is a lot simpler to use.

We've set up the IP addresses so that the laptop connects to my dad's PC using a gateway, and the DNS configurations are identical on each, and WINS is disabled. The computers can see each other in Network Neighbourhood or whatever its called, and can access each others documents. So the network is working! We've set the laptop's internet connection to connect through a LAN, and auto-detect the proxy server, but no luck!

We're really stuck because the settings are right, just the damn thing won't connect! We've tried everything we can think of, but still no bloody luck. We were up till 12 last night trying to sort it out, and quite frankly we're starting to get kinda pissed off at it!

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Regards,

Dale

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Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:16 pm by Esquilax

LANs?!?! I love LANS! I'd be happy to offer any help that I can.

1) First things first, attempt to ping the gateway machine. If you can ping it, then obviously, the network is fine.

2) Use "traceroute" or "tracert" to attempt to map the network in order to locate the area in which the connection is dropping out.

3) I would also suggest setting up the IP of the proxy manually, as auto-detection has never been an exact science.

4) Is the gateway a seperate box? If you are only connecting to your father's machine and using it as a gateway, you might have problems.

6) What are the IP's of the two machines that you are using? If they are private, then of course you cannot contact the internet. Remember that the IP should be set to automatic (DHCP), as your ISP will usually provide you with an IP. Finally, does your plan support multiple IPs/computers?

5) What kind of internet connection is it? Dial-up? ADSL? Cable?

Try the above and, if you can, provide more information as to the DNS, proxy, IP, and gateway settings.

Esquilax

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Edited by - esquilax on 16-12-2003 13:17:16

Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:22 pm by Arcon

i love that Taw gets all the tech support stuff targetted at him now. Its like, via the coduit of rant threads on his part, he now has to fix everyone he meet's pcs. How cool is that.

"American Girls all weather and noise"

Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:36 pm by Esquilax

I know Arcon, I've noticed. But when do other people get credit for their learning? I AM tertiary educated you know *sob*. I have feelings too...

Esquilax

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The above post is true, and by true I mean "false". It's comprised of lies, but they are entertaining lies and in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is "no".

Edited by - esquilax on 16-12-2003 13:36:44

Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:00 pm by freighter fighter

so you went to college/ uni esq WHOOPEE FRIGGIN DOO

It is better to aim for the stars and hit the tops of the trees than to aim for nothing and hit it dead on.

Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:10 pm by cardam|ne

We set the IPs manually to 192.168.128.1 for my dad's, and 192.168.128.2 for the laptop. The gateway is my dad's IP address, and the DNS server is the same as my dad's IP address. We had it working before, with my PC, my sister's, my brother's, and the two laptop's at the old house. The four PCs were all running Windows 2000 with service pack 3, and the laptops had Windows 98SE on one, and Windows ME on the other.

ATM my dad is only bothered about having the net on the two laptops and his PC. We have ADSL at 576kb/sec on BT Broadband, and it was all working fine before, even with WinRoute. But no such luck this time round. Apparently there's a virus floating around on the Windows Update website that attaches itself to some system files and upon loading up the OS, it can't find a certain file. This happened to my dad and he simply reinstalled Windows 2000. So the settings would all obviously be returned to default.

Is it something to do with the Internet Connection Sharing?

Cheers for your help, and anymore would be great!

Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:19 pm by Tawakalna

** yawn ** sorry I'm bored with setting up routers, it's all in the old threads. Esquilax is more than capable of explaining it to u. Occasionally I want to do other things than work. if u really get stuck e-mail, TLR isn't the place, I'd rather talk about Trek and LotR and stuff.

Arch, for the past 11 years all I'v got is people's PC problems. If I ddin't know anything about puters I dont think anyone would ever talk to me.

edit - don't mean to sound so p*ssy. I've got a nasty bout of 'flu, thanx to the Mrs. u can e-mail me no prob, just take the diespamdie out me addy.

Edited by - Tawakalna on 16-12-2003 14:42:36

Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:24 pm by freighter fighter

cardemine, remove that from your sig please, im the only one who eats n00bs here...this forum aint big enough for the both of us

Edited by - freighter fighter on 16-12-2003 14:24:41

Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:28 pm by cardam|ne

@ff - umm . . . nope! its a free world out there!

@taw - i'd talk to u, but then again, i don't think i'd know you if u didnt know out bout computers lol

Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:14 am by Esquilax

Why are you using private class "C" addresses? Unless you have NAT (Name Address Translation) installed on the router, I do not see how you can contact the internet.

Esquilax

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The above post is true, and by true I mean "false". It's comprised of lies, but they are entertaining lies and in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is "no".

Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:36 am by Tawakalna

the gateway is ur dad's Ip address? i take it then that HIS pc has the net coming in on it, and then that's shared by the other pcs? because that could be ur problem right there, as identified by esq when he mentione Network address Translation.

what normally happens is that people either see the network, or the internet, but this problem of seeing both is the problem because ur basically talking about 2 different networks coming together, ur LAN, and the isp's WAN.

How do u configure the router, is there an interface or is it all command-line? and where have u put the IP address given to u by the ISP, because the router needs that. Static IP addressing is fine for the clients but presumably ur router is DHCP, or ur cable/DSL modem is acting as a server for such. basically for ur router u need the ISP IP address and the range of IP addresses u want it to allow on ur LAN, then u configure ur clients to suit. oh yeah u might well need WINS resolution enabled.

on the clients u need to set up host, domain (ISP) then after that u'v probably got the DNS servers and gateway addressing correct. Don't forget to include the gateway in ur DNS lookup list. and keep ur subnet mask summat simple like 255.255.255.0 cos that'll go with pretty much anything.

with a mix of o/s like uv got i'd be tempted to keep all the Netbios settings in as well, but not to enable Netbios over TCP/IP.

right sod this I'm off to Return of the KIng like now! (9:32 am)

Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:07 am by cardam|ne

@Taw - cheers, shall inform my dad tonight lol! My dad's PC has the Internet coming to it, but my dad has now uninstalled the Router, and is using the Windows Internet Connection Sharing option, but still no luck. Online help guides aren't very helpful, nor do they guide u!

Oh I dunno, I guess MSN and Kazaa are slowly drifting away . . .

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Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:09 pm by Tawakalna

that Windows ICS never works, it's a right old p.o.s. Use a hardware router that u can pick up for £60 and u'll be up and running in 20minutes, providing u have ur ISP's assigned IP address and some common sense.

I couldn't sit idly by and watch u suffer any longer. Still, gotta say esquilax was doing a fine job. I'm not the only person here who does this for a living y'know, the others are pretty good too, well except Mustang 'cos he forgot how to adjust his power properties AND never sent his signed picture (won by me) which I made a space on me wall for, nor the promised runner-up prize of a picture of Eraser either, still he is from Australia

Where's me picture, u guy?

Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:05 am by cardam|ne

cheers, me uncle came down last night, set up one laptop (the one with ME), tried the EXACT same settings on the laptop with 98SE, but no luck! It still won't work! I don't know exactly what my uncle did with the ME laptop, but it worked fine! Oh well, no MSN

Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:52 pm by Sir Spectre

@Whoever, is it possible to have my Wi-Fi on my new XP Home Laptop (Work computer not the one I keep talking about) ... where was I, oh yeah, can I have my Wi-Fi NOT pick up more than one wireless box?

Reason: I don't know much about wireless utils. But I have a Linksys WAP and a Linksys Wireless Router (which I have never been able to figure out how to route wirelessly, but it still routes with wires.) Anyway, when my Wi-Fi automatically connects to the WAP it is fine. But it keeps checking the available networks, and when it detects the router, it tries to connect to that instead which won't allow me to use the internet. I'll be on, then the next second all download activity has stopped. Only through the WAP can I go online.

So I want to know how to prevent the Wi-Fi from picking up the router or to keep it from logging off the WAP automatically.

I have 128 bit encryption and a name for the network, but (and this may be where the problem lies) the wireless router requires its own network name separate of the WAP. When I set it up the first time, I was confused to whether it had to be the same name or a different one. So I did the same. This time, I think it is showing up as default, while the other has the name I gave it ... I'm so confused.

Sir Spectre

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