Faster then Light travel: is it possible?

Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:53 am by Wolf_Demon

time for me to put in my two bits
my theory of fast travel (dont know if it will be faster than light)

there are stationary rings place is a straight line with a station at each end
but there is a fatal flaw in this, there will only be a certain window to when any ship an use this (the destination and the starting point have to be alligned)
at the starting station there is a large electromagnetic field that is activated by the station when the ship is in position, the electromagnetic field retracts the ship and propelles it towards the first ring which has a tremendous magnetic field that pulls it towards the ring while the ship keeps increasing speed, since it is a ring the ship will do through the center, and on the other side the ship is repelled by the opposite magnetic field, thus increasing the speed, and this keeps prepeating with each ring.

if we find out how to create worm holes and determine where they would go by then, when the ship reaches the required speed it creates a wormhole thus conecting it with the system of rings at the other end, and since its is going the other way in the rings it will slow down comming to a stop

if we dont create wormholes then we will have to have a continuouse set of rings all the way to the distiantion

hia fatty!
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so what r u going to have!? the ususal? fat fried fat?
whaaaaaaaaa!!!!

Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:01 am by Marty

Im too tired to understand half of the big words you all are using here, but I'll probably forget this thread by tomorrow, so I'm going to put some nonsense out that seems to make sense to me at the moment...

Scientists said the world was flat... but it wasn't.
Scientists said we would never fly... but we did.
Scientists said we would never go faster than sound... but we did.
Scientists said we would never reach space... but we did.

There is probably some loophole in the laws of physics we have yet to discover... and when we find it... the real fun begins.
Who said the laws of physics were absolutely true?
Who said they couldn't be broken?

If that's not poison ivy, then lick it...

Edited by - Marty on 25-11-2003 21:11:58

Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:06 am by Marty

I think Wolf Demon's idea sounds like a really big rail gun.

If that's not poison ivy, then lick it...

Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:11 am by Wolf_Demon

hmm
kinda does if when u think about it
about 2 months after i thought of this in my spare time, some evil scientist on the justice league had the seme concept for targeting meteors at earth so he can gain control of it.
but i didnt think of that much

<edit> which brings me to my next thought
but ill post a thread about it now

hia fatty!
............
so what r u going to have!? the ususal? fat fried fat?
whaaaaaaaaa!!!!

Edited by - ):Wolf_Demon

on 25-11-2003 02:13:24

Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:15 am by Arania

Wolfie, i came up with the same idea for an investigative science project that i had to do.

Basically, un-advanced trade lane rings.

I called it the EMMIR
(elecro-magnetic-movement-induction-ring)

But it wouldnt work for FTL travel, as you approach c you become heavier, so there is a limit to how fast the EMMIR system could hurl you.

oh, and the system is basically a big solonoid
magnets without the core.

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Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:49 pm by Locutov

Well there could be a test with a probe the size of a bullet

see what that does to it
but anyway I think it wouldn't work for prolonged travel, because basicly as soon as you leave those rings I think you would be back at normal speeds

Anyway I like the Idea.

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Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:57 pm by Tawakalna

no u'd continue at the speed u left the rings at, that's inertia for u, unless some other force acted upon ur podule (or whatever). the rings would continue to accelerate u (rate of acc. depending upon ur mass of course) but once u left em ud just coast until gravity or atmospheric drag or engines exerted another force.

Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:29 pm by Sir Daisy Cutter

of course it is look:-
E=mc2 is Einstens theory for the speed of light

Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:40 pm by Tawakalna

no it's not. E is energy, m is mass and c is the speed of light (squared)

Wed Nov 26, 2003 3:01 am by 666heretic

If Gravity isnt "faster" than light....then exlpain why light cannot escape black holes?

Personally i think fast than light speed is possible. I mean if you think about it, alot of things we said werent possible are. just 70 years ago everyone said that breaking the sound barrier was impossible. just 50 years ago, everyone said mobile phones were most likely impossible (its true, i've read it.). Just 16 years ago, they said that because i was born premature, it would be impossible for me to grow beyond 5 foot....I'm 5'9". Just 30 or so years ago they said smallpox was impossible to get rid of worldwide. My point is that we think the impossible only because we choose not to believe that it is possible. Few hundred years ago, we thought it was impossible to fly, around that time we thought it was impossible that the universe did not revolve around earth.

Heretic

Wed Nov 26, 2003 3:32 am by Warlord Bob

If Gravity isnt "faster" than light....then exlpain why light cannot escape black holes?

First, gravity comes in varying strengths. Tell me, what is the "speed" of say the moon's gravity? Or anything else for that matter. Plus, are you suggesting that light is affected by gravity? (I've heard of gravitational lensing, so I don't know on this)

2nd, Taw and others correct me if i'm wrong, but perhaps the reason no light escapes a black hole is the particles around it block all light from reaching it in the first place, or because those particles are moving faster than light themselves! So, any light they emit would still be moving toward the black hole thanks to relativity

Wed Nov 26, 2003 4:24 am by Indy11

Ummmmm.

I didn't catch it all but I saw about the last 30 minutes on Nova about Brian Greene's book on string theory called "The Elegant Universe."

From what I saw, it isn't really a question of whether gravity is "faster" than light. The current puzzle is why gravity, as forces go, is so weak in our universe ... as compared to electromagnetism, for example.

The stringers are on the side of the multiversers. I am not sure I am getting this right but I think one suggestion is that gravity's strength in our universe (string) is only one quality of it and that in another universe, gravity may be immensely powerful.

Anyway, it is suggested that gravity is made up of graviton particles, extremely weak and infinitesimally miniscule so that it effectively has no mass but, to if supersymmetry holds true, there would be a superpartner to graviton particles. Those would be gravitino's which would be, relatively speaking, immensely more powerful.

I know, none of this has anything to do with FTL but I thought I would mention that while gravity, the weak force version of it in our universe can bend and sometimes swallow up light, imagine what a dimension in which gravitino's prevail might do to light.

Wed Nov 26, 2003 10:36 am by Tawakalna

who says gravity has a speed? that's just silly. Gravity is a consequence of mass in the space-time continuum, it has no speed as such, any velocity brought about by gravity is the result of mass and the subsequent variations of acceleration under gravity caused by variations of mass.

the reason light can't escape black holes is because the singularity at the heart of a black hole is so incredibly dense, being the remains of a supermassive star compressed to an insane extent, that gravity resultant to that singularity is so strong that even light can't esacpe it. that doesn't mean gravity has a speed, nor does it by extension mean that FtL is possible just because in this extreme instance light's velocity has been overcome. it doesn't herald the creation of a fleet of interstellar graviton-engined spaceships; because no-one knows yet if gravity even has a particle manifestation, unless sopmeone cracks unified field theory. Gravity may be nothing more than just a 4-dimensional "bend" in spacetime. don't get ur hopes up.

Wed Nov 26, 2003 10:41 am by DragonBreath

there are stationary rings place is a straight line with a station at each end
but there is a fatal flaw in this, there will only be a certain window to when any ship an use this (the destination and the starting point have to be alligned)
at the starting station there is a large electromagnetic field that is activated by the station when the ship is in position, the electromagnetic field retracts the ship and propelles it towards the first ring which has a tremendous magnetic field that pulls it towards the ring while the ship keeps increasing speed, since it is a ring the ship will do through the center, and on the other side the ship is repelled by the opposite magnetic field, thus increasing the speed, and this keeps prepeating with each ring.

this idea is maded in the 19th century for trains... the idea was scrapped for the disaster what happends if their was a powerdrain when the train was going about 1000km/h...

If this might be true I think this would actually prove the multiverse theory partially, Bang me if this gets farfetched, but if a super redgiant goes into supernova state, and it will collapse under itself, wouldn't that compress matter enough to be released on another plain in a kind of a Big-Bang explosion
and thereby creating another parallel universe

our universe still grows... the travel to the nearest star is still getting bigger, and it goes only faster... so how does it comes together agian, i'f the stars not going slower and then going faster again to 1 point... but goes faster from that point

maybe it's only till that get to the speed of light and disapeare in time...

magnetism

what happends if u have 2 magnets with the same pools to eachother in close distance

what happends if u have 2 magnets with the odd pools to eachother in close disance

what happends if u have 2 magnets with the same pools to eachother in a very large far from eachother

what happends if u have 2 magnets with the odd pools to eachother very far from eachother

i say also, their nothing with would affect the effect on thus magnets... and the magnets start with speed 0.

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Wed Nov 26, 2003 4:20 pm by cardam|ne

Einstein says that an object cannot accelerate to the speed of light, but they can exceed it if already travelling at that speed!

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