Why is Wing Commander Terrible?

Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:32 pm by Tawakalna

I don't think it's a case that McDowell chooses bad roles per se, i think like a lot of actors he takes anything he can get that pays well. If you remember O Lucky Man, If, and A Clockwork Orange then clearly he was/is an actor of quality who is capable of taking on challenging roles; however like many older british actors u only see him in sci-fi "baddie" roles in the main, so he probably just takes what jobs come along as long as the pay's good, and as he's not A-list that means taking stuff he prob. wouldn't bother watching after shooting wraps.

it's not just him, look at the roles Christopher Plummer and Alan Rickman get nowadays, Patrick Stewart before Star Trek, John Rhys-Davies in almost everything he gets, they're usually fonk but pay well so they do it. What's more actors of this calibre don't actually care that much, they are professionals and it's just work, they do it, get paid, go home.

..you think you're done with the past, but the past isn't done with you..

Edited by - Tawakalna on 21-10-2003 20:44:39

Wed Oct 22, 2003 6:49 am by Sir Spectre

@Taw, I guess if it were me, I'd preserve my dignity and not work in horrible B-movies that just get ridiculed. The only person to take a ton of crap roles and actually preserve his dignity is Sean Connery. He's got a hairy mane, he would have made a better Kilrathi than those stupid green puppets. And I thought the Kilrathi were orange? Must have been a different race or clan.

Sir Spectre

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Wed Oct 22, 2003 1:15 pm by Top-Gun

Malcom McDowell couldn't do the WC movie, because of other work. But he did want to do it, and he said that if there was a second one, he would do it

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Wed Oct 22, 2003 4:38 pm by Sir Spectre

@Top-gun, yeah, but by then we're stuck with David Warner. Although maybe I could see McDowell in WC 2 as it is more than a decade after 1.

Sir Spectre

Like Master Yoda's speak, Olde English is, yes? Hehmmmmhaha!
-- From the play "Zlothello"

Wed Oct 22, 2003 9:21 pm by Tawakalna

David "I'll do anything but I always take the same part" Warner? to be fair he's another good actor who doesn't seem to mind being typecast, i don't think he ever had the presence of McDowell esp. in the early years, but i can think of two very good roles he's taken, the journalist in "The Omen" and the decent captain in "Cross of Iron" other than that he's pretty much always the same in everything.

..you think you're done with the past, but the past isn't done with you..

Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:06 am by Sir Spectre

@Taw, what I thought funny about Warner, was that he took the part of the Federation Ambassador in Star Trek V, then in Star Trek IV he was the Klingon Chancellor. I always thought that was funny.

Then in Star Trek Generations we finally get McDowell who kicks arse with the line "Time is the fire in which burn." Warner just wasn't as convincing with the line "A toast to the undiscovered country ... the future."

Sir Spectre

Like Master Yoda's speak, Olde English is, yes? Hehmmmmhaha!
-- From the play "Zlothello"

Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:25 am by Tawakalna

if you recall, the same actor (Kurtwood Smith?) played the same alien in STIV and STVI except in the former he was some junior officer on a starship and in the latter he'd become Federation President within a few years. say what? what a world of opportunity!

..you think you're done with the past, but the past isn't done with you..

Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:30 am by Sir Spectre

He had political connections and he assassinated the people above him.

I'm just guessing.

BTW, what was this topic about? I forget now.

Sir Spectre

Like Master Yoda's speak, Olde English is, yes? Hehmmmmhaha!
-- From the play "Zlothello"

Edited by - Sir Spectre on 23-10-2003 01:30:43

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:50 am by Top-Gun

Kurtwood Smith played 2 characters of the same Race, not the same Character.

Also David Warner played the Cardie Gul that Interrogated Picard in "Chain of Command

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Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:35 pm by Tawakalna

they weren't just same race, TG, they looked identical! r u sure they weren't the same character? i admit i don't know for sure myself.

I'd forgotten Warner played that Gul, silly of me because he did that really well, very menacing and with hat trademark cardassian moral ambiguity. ta for reminding me!

Thu Oct 23, 2003 1:29 pm by Top-Gun

According to the Star Trek Encyclopedia, they are different characters. It's kinda like when John Putch played both Ensign Mendon and Mordock in TNG (both Benzites), the way that explained this was that both the Characters were from the same Gene Pool, maybe the same was true with the Kurtwood Smith Characters? But Star Trek IV isn't listed in Kurtwood Smith's IMDB Page

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Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:28 pm by Fear Factor

He was also the captain of the alien time-ship in Voyager. That guy does a lot of Star Trek!

Fri Oct 24, 2003 12:47 pm by Top-Gun

So do a lot of Star Trek Actors.

Rene Auberjonois (Odo) was in Star Trek VI as Colonel West and the Enterprise Season 1 Episode "Oasis".

Marc Alaimo (Dukat) was also ing TNG as Commander Tebok ( "The Neutral Zone"

, Badar N'D'D (""Lonely Among Us"

, Gul Macet ("The Wounded"

AND Frederick LaRouque ( "Time's Arrow: Part 1"

Armin Shimerman (Quark) was also in TNG as Betazed Wedding Gift Box ("Haven"

, Letek (The Last Outpost) and DaiMon Bractor ("Peak Performance"

Robert Duncan McNeill (Tom Paris) was also in TNG as Cadet First Class Nicholas Locarno ("The First Duty"

And the list goes on

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Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:50 pm by freighter fighter

in the first episode of TNG, there is a leutenant torres, and in star trek generations, the guy who plays tuvok is on the first enterprises bridge

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Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:33 pm by Top-Gun

Damn I forgot all about Tim 'Tuvok' Russ, he was also in an episode of DS9 as a Klingon and Tuvok

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