Half Life 2... Bye bye

Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:55 pm by Arcon

i love how because people are put out by this they assume to know these hackers like the back of their hands and assume to know valve have the best intentions in the world. Its all so black and white when your pissed your game is being delayed until April.

Hackers of that skill, who managed to not only get in, but to keylog a shagload of code (FAR more than the 1/3 reported) for an extended period of time and managed to pinch enough working maps, models, sound files, textures, scrips to release a working build. THEN Managed to compile it all together to run on peoples machines, why that sounds like a bunch of tallented pro's and alot of the time, tallented pro hackers arent motivated by fame and notoriety, they do it cause they want to know.

Ive said this before on other forums, we need to stay objective about this, we cant go off making assumptions about either parties at this point until we know all the facts. one thing is true, the reported extent of what has been leaked, i am told from a first hand player, is GROSSLY misreported.

-arcon
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"Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown

Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:40 pm by Setsuna

I agree with Arcon: We know squat. From all I've seen this couldn't have been done by a single person. No way. Noone is THAT good. The real question is: Why?
When we get that answered, we can start thinking about the next question: Who?
I suspect that this wasn't done for fame, nor for revenge, there simply must be a better reason for all that hard work (keylogging and compiling 1/2 of a game's source code is unthinkably difficult). So, once again: Why? To see if Valve "lied"...?
Doesn't make sense. I think it's either industrial espionage or a convinient excuse.

Fri Oct 10, 2003 4:57 pm by Arcon

@Chet: although i apreciate the backup, theres no upper limit to a persons skill and ability, especially with something non physical like hacking. It COULD, hypothetically, be done by one guy but it probably wasnt, especially in the time it took from obtaining the code and then packaging it in a working build

-arcon
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"Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown

Fri Oct 10, 2003 7:13 pm by RILMS

I talked to a few of my friends. They the code that was stolen. They didn't steal it as far as I know. They said they got it from "The Net"

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Sat Oct 11, 2003 12:34 am by malystryx

all in favor of buying firearms and becomeing hacker hunters say me

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Sat Oct 11, 2003 2:15 am by mustang

I don't care really when Valve decided to release HL2, I was fairly suprised about the announcement being so close to the release date I assumed it was going to be delayed anyway. But I don't care what anyone says, this hacker(s) is a crook.

I like to know why people think that Valve owe them a god damn thing, cause they don't. It's exactly the same as breaking into the Ford Motor Company and stealing a prototype car, distributing it's blueprints to anyone who wants to look and then brutalising Ford because it's not the car you wanted.

Curiosity is no excuse for theft and anyone who thinks it is, is a damn fool.

Edited by - Mustang on 11-10-2003 03:15:51

Sat Oct 11, 2003 2:27 am by Arcon

oh, i'm not arguing that the guy is a crook, no matter what way you look at it, data theft is illegal, like ripping mp3's is illegal. all i'm saying is, like when you rip your cd's and share them over Kazaa or whatever, your doing so thinking that its all good and propper and the police should be out catching real criminals not innocent students who cant afford extortionate prices for music. Hackers of that skill arent the kind of skript kiddie n00b3hs that go into a computer looking for trouble either though. like the nazis, some believe in what theyre doing

-arcon
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"Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown

Sat Oct 11, 2003 3:53 am by Tachyon

all i'm saying is, like when you rip your cd's and share them over Kazaa or whatever, your doing so thinking that its all good and propper and the police should be out catching real criminals not innocent students who cant afford extortionate prices for music.

I absolutely hate it when people use this sorry excuse for stealing music. Face it, you have a comp with a 3GHz P4, a Radeon 9800 Pro, a gig of 3200 DDR ram, and a 22 inch monitor. I think you can afford a freaking music CD. If you honestly believe that a CD costs too much, don't buy it. Better yet, stage a protest and have other boycott it as well. But stealing it is never justified. Anyone who somehow justifies it is lying to themselves. I don't use generalizations like this lightly. And, for the record, I freely admit to having MP3s. I just don't try to make myself believe that somehow I am doing the right thing or fighting whatever power. Grow up :\

Sat Oct 11, 2003 4:40 am by Sir Spectre

I completely agree with Tachyon on the music sharing.

However, the music industry is partly to blame for not playing the supply and demand game. DVDs cost $20 average. CDs are now $15-$18 average.

I can understand the $20, for a multi-multi-multi million dollar film and its advertising and such.

I can't understand the $18, for a couple hundred thousand dollar recording session and its advertising. Because unlike movies, their customers can listen to the music over the airwaves without having to pay a ticket, so it is its own advertisement for the album.

I would buy more albums if they were $9.99 or less. Until then I just buy them on sale or not at all.

Sir Spectre

Who was the penguin in trousers with whom she was to have sinned?
-- From the play "Zlothello"

Sat Oct 11, 2003 5:02 am by mustang

Let's get back on topic folks, this isn't a thread about the legalities of owning ripped Mp3's. But for the record I agree with Tach.

Sat Oct 11, 2003 5:13 am by Sir Spectre

I took it to be a thread about illegally stealing digitized information, mp3s fall into that. But I guess staying directly with the Half Life 2 is what we will do. Though I can't say I'm distraught over it, having never played the first one.

Sir Spectre

Who was the penguin in trousers with whom she was to have sinned?
-- From the play "Zlothello"

Edited by - Sir Spectre on 11-10-2003 06:19:11

Sat Oct 11, 2003 5:42 am by Tachyon

It does involve Half-Life 2, though. Just because a game is delayed, you don't break into the developer and steal their work. The "Anon" guy seems to hate Valve, but when he was actually hacking into Valve's network the game wasn't delayed yet, and still could've been released (for all we knew). Now everybody has played a subpar mock of a rip that doesn't even compare to the finished product. What's it accomplished? Nothing.

Wed Oct 15, 2003 6:08 pm by Indy11

Just curious to know what others think. Did the punishment that the hacker(s) wanted to inflict upon Valve fit the crime that Valve allegedly committed?

I kind of felt that it was very disproportionately more severe than what was necessary if the gripes were based on truth.

Doesn't revealing source code basically give out Valve's proprietary secrets to anyone?

Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:21 pm by freighter fighter

that depends on how well someone can interpret the source code

Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:49 pm by Arcon

yeah, which is why theyre re-writing ALOT of it, hence the April Release. Cause otherwise the game could have been shipped out when they said no worries. stealing the sourcecode by itself would have meant that the game SHOULDNT have been put back. I mean if the guy JUST stole it, no one would be getting the source code secrets right? so Valve could have just trundeled along and released it as planned. something isnt right i tells you.

as for music piracy, i have no misconceptions about sales prices, i just dont buy cd's cause: A) i dont know if i'm gonna like it,

I go on and off music on a whim, C) i really cant be arsed to go out and buy music, D) its easier NOT paying, E) its cheaper not paying

-arcon
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"Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown

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