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Another intersting debate

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Post Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:16 pm

Problems with theory 6: To restate it, this theory makes the claim that the world exists because there is a single mind which imagines the world. This is the view that Monists adhere to. Now, to debate the argument about whether or not the Monists are right we would need several weeks of reading what their arguments are and the flaws and strengths of said arguments. However, let me just draw a similarity between the Monist viewpoint (that there is only one person who actually exists) and Descartes Evil Demon argument. According to Descartes EDA, there are only 2 things that actually exist: Me and an all powerful evil demon. The sole purpose of the demon is to make me believe that everything I see around me is real. The demon will use all of its powers to create a world of false (yet highly convincing) images of people, places, and events to the end that I not see what is truly real. The reason why I bring this up is because it makes life rather trite doesn't it? I mean, if only I exist, then I am no longer bound by moral reasoning. Therefore, I no longer have any moral responsibilities. And if I no longer hold any moral responsibilities, then I can go around and commit any atrocious act that I durn well please and not be held responsible. However, since I do not believe that this is the case, I am firmly against the Monist point of view.

Also, in regards to cacbawh's comment about the average population of the universe: If the universe is infinitely large, that means that the universe has infinite extension. Now, it is my understanding that when you say that there is an average, you are taking the population and dividing that number by the area (in this case the distance-units which make up the universe's extension). However, if the universe is infinite, and that the existence of life-bearing planets is ridiculously low (note I did not say infinitely small), then the number of life-bearing planets would also be infinite. Here's how it works. If 'x' represents the number of life-bearing planets, then the number of life-bearing planets would be expressed as x > 0, and x does not equal 0. And since x does not equal 0, then, when multiplied by infinity, you will get an infinite number of life-bearing planets (any value larger than 0 multiplied by infinity will produce infinity). Also, if each life-bearing planet had any number of persons living on it (any value greater than 0), then the population of all life-bearing planets summed together would also be infinite. And finally, since the number of life-bearing planets is infinite, and that the universe also has infinite extension, the true average population of the universe is infinity divided by infinity. In other words average population of the universe equals 1. (It should also be noted that this might seem to go against my previous claim--regarding Monists--but, when you consider that this only pertains to the average population, it is, by no means, the actual population of existing beings). Cheers all.

Post Thu Jul 24, 2003 3:21 am

I've always been a believer in the Steady state theory, meaning thier was no cataclysmic beginning or and thier will be no end to the universe, it just was and always will be. I mean of course it's evolving and changing all the time but it'll never die or dissapear.

I always feel that our adolecent brains have yet to comprehend even 1 millionth of the universes secrets, hence our need to give explination of how the universe came to be. There is most likely some other explination that we cannot yet comprehend due our current level of conciousness.

Post Thu Jul 24, 2003 6:43 am

Wow. Quite the interesting topic.

For those very interested with how many deminsions we live in, check out this book:

"Hyperspace: A Scientific Odyssey Through Parallel Universes, Time Warps, and the 10th Dimension" By Michio Kaku.

I read this in highschool, and found it fascinating. He describes in laimens terms about different ideas on the current number of *Possible* deminisions, as well as the Superstring Theory, and the Kaluza-Klein Theory.

I would probably do a poor job describing them, so for more info, read a short description here:
http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/GraduateAd ... reene.html

I know this really has little to do with the original topic, but it may help those who are seeking their own beliefs (or entertain those who have a love for physics as I do).

Post Thu Jul 24, 2003 8:03 pm

way thanks purevil I will certainly get that book from me library

if you haven't read it allready maybe you should try: the universe in a nutshell by prof stephen hawkinge.
it is about the same subject. maybe you like it

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