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theoretical ethical question
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The Jolly Rogers 
Wed Jul 02, 2003 8:27 pm
first off all I wouldn't get here pregnant
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and if she does I'll talk to her about abortion(if it's not to late or she doesn't want to.cous I think that having a kid at age 15(my age)is inresponsible and it just screws up your future.
just my 2 cents.(now don't you all come to me and say abortion is killing and me going to hell and stuff ok
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and if she does I'll talk to her about abortion(if it's not to late or she doesn't want to.cous I think that having a kid at age 15(my age)is inresponsible and it just screws up your future.
just my 2 cents.(now don't you all come to me and say abortion is killing and me going to hell and stuff ok
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Wed Jul 02, 2003 9:51 pm
I halfly agree with Arcon.
it Can be a 2-way choice. but if the woman wants to be aborted because "it has come at a bad time" so to say, I think she is wasting a random life by abortion
I think abortion should only be used in cases such as sexual ravishment.
But... the other choice being the woman fully on her career and all, let the man educate the child.
I don't think pro-life is right and I don't believe in the "pop on the table and gone's the foetus" way
it Can be a 2-way choice. but if the woman wants to be aborted because "it has come at a bad time" so to say, I think she is wasting a random life by abortion
I think abortion should only be used in cases such as sexual ravishment.
But... the other choice being the woman fully on her career and all, let the man educate the child.
I don't think pro-life is right and I don't believe in the "pop on the table and gone's the foetus" way
Thu Jul 03, 2003 12:30 am
The point of the debate is what happens if birth control fails. Condoms have an 85% success rate (www.plannedparenthood.org/condoms/truth.html), various kinds of pills can hit as high as 98% success. Apparently most of the failures are due to human error. So the question is, if everyone has been responsible and used birth control, and a pregnancy occurs anyway, what then?
Thu Jul 03, 2003 1:00 am
Then the newbie parents reach an agreement, they decide TOGETHER. If the partners both agreed to have sex, then I presume that they have enough understanding for each other to avoid conflict and taking sides/whining/shovinism/whatnot. Anyone mature enough to have sex is considered mature enough to make this (hard) decision. (at least I think so)
To answer the question: What to do? It's simple if the girl is underage, her parents decide (legally). If the guy is too young, then adoption/abortion. If both parents are old enough to start a family, then they should, but only after at least 6 hours long discussion, and at least 48 hours consideration.
Of course, some of you will disagree, but that's normal. This is how I would handle it...
Careful what you wish... You might just get it.
To answer the question: What to do? It's simple if the girl is underage, her parents decide (legally). If the guy is too young, then adoption/abortion. If both parents are old enough to start a family, then they should, but only after at least 6 hours long discussion, and at least 48 hours consideration.
Of course, some of you will disagree, but that's normal. This is how I would handle it...
Careful what you wish... You might just get it.
Thu Jul 03, 2003 5:52 am
I've been doing some thinking, and I don't have a new argument yet, but I do have some questions. I have two hypothetical situations I'd like answers to.
1) A couple fools around responsably, she ends up pregnant, and decides she wants the father to have nothing to do with the child. Does the father have any responsiblities here, and if so, what?
2) a woman visits an anonomous sperm bank and becomes successfuly impregnated. Does the doner have any responsibilites here?
The reason I'm asking these questions is because I feel sure (I don't think, I feel. it's a much less certain thing) that there is some male responsiblity, but I'm not sure of its nature or other atributes, and I think determining responibility in these sorts of situations would help. so what do you guys and gals think?
1) A couple fools around responsably, she ends up pregnant, and decides she wants the father to have nothing to do with the child. Does the father have any responsiblities here, and if so, what?
2) a woman visits an anonomous sperm bank and becomes successfuly impregnated. Does the doner have any responsibilites here?
The reason I'm asking these questions is because I feel sure (I don't think, I feel. it's a much less certain thing) that there is some male responsiblity, but I'm not sure of its nature or other atributes, and I think determining responibility in these sorts of situations would help. so what do you guys and gals think?
Thu Jul 03, 2003 8:20 am
@Cynicism Inc
1) The father should only have responsibilities if he wants them. At the end of the day its still his child too. Just because a woman carries a child inside her for the first nine months doesn't entitle her to dictate what level of interaction or responsibility the father has for the child. However if she really wants the father to have nothing to do with it, and he's fine with that, she shouldn't then go on to expect him to make payments for the child.
2) The whole reason a woman goes for sperm donation is because either:
a) she doesn't want a man involved in her life or
b) the man in her life is unable to provide healthy sperm to create a baby
In that sense the donor is doing her a favour, and shouldn't have to be responsible for a child he had no active part in creating (in terms of who he donated to). The woman can't go "It's getting tough now looking after this baby, I know, I'll call in the anonymous bloke who was so kind to donate this sperm, understanding that he would have no contact with those he donated to!!"
1) The father should only have responsibilities if he wants them. At the end of the day its still his child too. Just because a woman carries a child inside her for the first nine months doesn't entitle her to dictate what level of interaction or responsibility the father has for the child. However if she really wants the father to have nothing to do with it, and he's fine with that, she shouldn't then go on to expect him to make payments for the child.
2) The whole reason a woman goes for sperm donation is because either:
a) she doesn't want a man involved in her life or
b) the man in her life is unable to provide healthy sperm to create a baby
In that sense the donor is doing her a favour, and shouldn't have to be responsible for a child he had no active part in creating (in terms of who he donated to). The woman can't go "It's getting tough now looking after this baby, I know, I'll call in the anonymous bloke who was so kind to donate this sperm, understanding that he would have no contact with those he donated to!!"