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in the meantime we're working on viable solutions

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"replacement and automatic solutions"... you really start to piss me off you know. You keep talking about things in a manner like "I know a better solution, but I wont tell you details because that makes me look cool on the forums"

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This really seems to be the crux of any issues with regards to Freelancer - and I misjudged what people mean about egos.
This is the very point. People represent knowledge, but won't go any further than that.

No-one knows whether they're talking BS, or something solid and serious. They're unwilling (for some weird reason) to share their thoughts and ideas, yet at the same time say that community matters and it's important to build the community etc.

I think I picked up this point before, just appears highly hypocritical to me is all...

I think last time (or was it in this thread) i said - either share everything and try to build the community, or stop making out your all about community and do what you want and release it whenever you feel like it.

In other words, appearing to be a community champion doesn't fit when the attitude is dead against "lets work together to make this better"

Do I really care that much? No - just strikes me funny to see such contrasting presentation of personality by folks

Edited by - Chips on 7/29/2007 2:38:25 AM

Chips, you hit the nail on the head

Glad Im not the only one here experiencing it that way.
I really need to ignore the bull**** talk.

btw. @OP: I think I decrypted your abstract posts:

Its funny to see how you need to push your ego instead of just saying "Hamachi is another working solution".
Same applies to "your" Starlancer Online solution.

In fact, Hamachi is a good idea, but in the case of Freelancer emulating the global server is a better solution then Hamachi due to several reasons.

Still, Hamachi does not solve the problem with complete FL newbs that dont find any servers. You indirectly claimed you have something that reaches those users, but well yea.. I really need to ignore the bs talk.

preach it brother! nice to know wtf he was referring to looks very limited but i can see the beautiful simplicity of it. if someone was really motivated to do something useful on this issue they would get on their phone and try to get definitive answers from an MS official (not some dam tech!) - preferably at their redmund office where the server is, as they might have a clue what your talking about, to questions we have such as when will the GLS go down if ever, and when they plan to close the official site (or update it for smegs sake) and whether they would redirect to a GLS alternative, or some new community built and operated site built around a released source package.

you cant stop it

1. it looks more like you have to push ur ego by posting **** about me while i try to do work for the lancer community to improve it
and maybe you will have noticed that I WAS ASKED to post what im working on... AND SO I DID

2. you decrypted nothing coz hamachi has absolutly nothing to do with that stuff
hamachi is only used for the SL Online rooms, and the use of a tool doesnt make it a project yet (in the same way you cant limit the FL community to a "tool/server" called GLS)
in case of SL online its a community of players, clans, various sites, tutorials, guides, tactics, ladders the use of hamachi for paid game rooms and me teaching ppl how to play
THAT IS A PROJECT

3. FL has nothing to do with that - not with SL online... not with hamachi
maybe you want to show me which hamachi game room can handle all FL players with a 128 limit?
the GLS bypass has nothing to do with it either and for sure the GLS replacement will also have nothing to do with that because as the name does say its going to be a replacement
and you guys will see what it is and how it does work when its finished and when i decide to release/run it for the public
so i suggest you stop claiming such a crap... thx


Edited by - SWAT_OP-R8R on 7/29/2007 11:43:56 AM

Source Code Package?
Dream on.
Maybe 10 years down the road, but anytime in the near future?? Forget it.
You can try to hack the source code, but if and when MS catches you..you'll have your hands full of trouble.

People who buy the FL disk and opt to play MP may some day find no server listed.

What's the solution?

Somewhere in the Internet, there is a site that lists active servers that is not associated with the Global List Server. (Don't ask me for the link because I've got no idea where I saw this posted)

How is a newbie going to know this?
It's unlikely if they don't pull a search on the internet for it since the FL disk isn't going to tell them. All the disk does is direct them to a site to register..but that site may also dissappear.

Now, I know that some of the ideas that I've posted here have been taken to heart by a few people and implemented in their mods. But, I'm not asking for the credit since:
1. I don't make money off of it.
2. I'm in no position sue anyone, nor would I want to waste my time and resources trying.
3. I get satisfaction knowing that some of my ideas are worthwhile.


If MS had the mind to do so, they could shut the global server down and this site without a second thought. Even if thousands of people protested. Hell, they shut down the Chatrooms and all the protests didn't stop that from happening.

Why? Copywrite Infringements and TOU violations, simple as that.
There are things you are allowed to do, but remember those things have to be within the boundaries of the agreement. You already know that some have gone way beyond that limitation. Why? Because without a second thought about the consequences, did it because they could do it. (Even with the best of intentions)
Well, good intentions won't keep you out of court if MS decided to put a stop to it.
We're modestly safe since we're not trying to make money off of it. Unlike the renegade UBISOFT who pirated it. I'm sure MS has their hands full trying to shut them down.

(what TOU? The one you find in the EULA....yeah, that one..the one you agreed to when you accepted the terms to play this game....
the one burned into the MS Freelancer CD)
Trust me, even if you got a "free copy" of it from your friend next door, you're not exempt. They say, "Ignorance is no excuse for the law" .

Word of warning: Don't rub MS the wrong way.

Call them whatever you want, but if they decide to shut Freelancer down, there is nothing we're going to be able to do to stop them and it won't matter in what country you live.
So, you can forget about the Global List Server or any community organized worldwide server network.

The original intent of the "local pc server" was for a relatively small network of "friends" to play the game in MP mode where everyone has the disk...up to 16 players.
This may be our fate in the long run since I believe MS knows what this diverse community of thinkers is going to make itself disintegrate.



Edited by - Rankor on 7/29/2007 12:58:49 PM

and who said something about the source code or making profits?
thought ppl would have noticed that its usualy me who does warn others if copyright issues are involved
nvm

"I WAS ASKED to post what im working on... AND SO I DID"

No you were not. You threw weird intimations in this thread and claimed to have "more elegant" and "better" solutions.

And Rankor, either write to MS about the "pirated" UBISOFT version and post an official statement here ... or otherwise please shut up about things you dont have a clue about.
In fact, recently a player from our community called a Microsoft technical supporter where he mentioned some features on our server. The Microsoft employee was rather impressed by the things we are still doing with FL, than about to sue us (lol).

then open your eyes!!!!

posted by flybyu:

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Do share your plans OP

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thats what i was asked for and thats what i did

Quoted out of context:
"And Rankor, either write to MS about the "pirated" UBISOFT version and post an official statement here ... or otherwise please shut up about things you dont have a clue about. "

I'm not going to stoop to an uninformed flaming contest with you.
Search the facts for yourself, you'll see it more clearly.
Otherwise, leave me the hell alone.

Edited by - Rankor on 7/29/2007 3:42:36 PM

Excuse me w0dk4, what is your problem?!?!?
I've been watching this forum regulary as long I play FL (that must be about two years now). I did'nt ever see a reason to post something because I am no modder and my knowledge about FL is limited to playing the game.
In the past few months it happens that you keep attacking OP for absolutly nothing over and over again. What you do is just sick.
He was asked and he did answer and then you jumped in attacking him for making an informational post? You made wrong claims and what you have said was close to an insult. And that was not the first time.
You seem to be running some kind of private war with OP and i can not see that he ever did something wrong to you or somebody else here on this forum. No the opposite is the case, he did stay fair, defending himself from wrong claims and your insults and trying to keep this flame war on an informational level.

I know OP longer than FL does exist and besides the fact that he was a legendary Starlancer player and the best Freelancer modder he was always helpful and kind to others. He always was a big contributor to the SL and FL community and also to Lancersreactor. I know that many people appreciate what he has done and you should start and show some respect for a person which stood up when Lancersreactor needed help, a person which has done so much more for the lancer community than most of you together and that continiously for more than 7 years already.

Your comment about Starlancer online wasn't nice either. OP has kept the Starlancer community alive in the past 4 years, for us players. He has put alot of work into it to provide us a place where we can enjoy the game. That is something nobody of you was either willing or able to do.

It is a real shame that OP resigned as LR admin because such an idiot did start to throw with dirt and wrong claims at him. OP was the best that happened to LR for a very long time. Nothing happened before he was LR admin and nothing happened after he left.
Yes its a shame that he did resign here at LR to protect his own community from those wrong claims.

OP said something about a splitted community before... well a community which does treat other members in such a way for sure is splitted.

well I think........wait a second...I thought I was posting in the art of physics thread...nvm...

Sorry, I dont have a personal fanboy that could post some cool stuff about me.

My problem with OP? He keeps referring to better solutions but does not share or show them at all. He did that multiple times and no, Im not gonna search the incidents for you.

there is no private flame war, it is very public indeed. personalities, and perceptions will clash endlessly, this is a given on any forum. what makes the difference is whether people can restrain themselves from becoming uncivil buttheads. you there ("who me?" you say), you see yourself as modest, erudite, and ingratiatingly helpful vs. the trite, pretentiously overbearing with delusions of grandeur, and pathlogically obfuscating.

now, i'm not going to opine on who is blessed or damned with those traits, and i would ask that you keep your perceptions to yourself, but i ask you to think for a moment now that you've confirmed in your mind who this person is; isn't that exactly what they think of me? and have i given them any cause to think otherwise? i'm not a person of faith or i might entreat you to look in your heart and find forgiveness for the faults you perceive in others, but maybe that's something you've already embraced. i hope so, at least for TLRs sake.

the community will certainly self destruct if we divide into camps of 'we hate so and so's cuz whatever. i am not proud of my role in spreading the flames, but sometimes the blade of truth cuts deep.

Edited by - Cold_Void on 7/30/2007 6:38:49 AM