hey Pinger...

yeah, this is a tough decision. What I think I'll end up doing (because I'm confident in my code being bug-free at this point) is releasing the software as-is and I'll let my big red warning label on the editor do the rest

Of course I'll be updating the readme to give better warning about this sort of thing, but this "bug" is just a little to inconsistient to warrant a week of me trying out people's fl files and stepping through code to try and see what's happening with it. I personally haven't had a single problem with edits (save getting booted by my own server for cheating ) and I'm confident that the code in the editor is safe to go.

The software also doesn't like non-North American systems! I've had people telling me that their banners are showing up in Japanese and others say players' time online is something like 111000 hours and stuff. It's quite the gong show, and I wish everything was standard Again, more meat for the readme file...

I still have to look at my game datafiles to make sure I have all the power plants and engines accounted for every ship, but I still believe the program's good to release and people will just have to be careful when editing players and will have to test things a bit on their own servers before going and editing anyone important.

I'm home from work in an hour or so, and I'll send the program to Baked again in about 5 or 6 hours when I've double-checked everything. AGAIN. Which makes it about a penta-check by now. Heh...

-- JoeBoomz
IONCROSS

joe... your s/ware rocks... cheers dude, found cloaks, ubers, infinite power generators, double mounts, champion shields an other stuff... also the cleaning up of acconts is a god send..... thanx

** uk server **
www.ko krull.com (without the space, dont u love swear filters )

The last guy says it all I think, maybe just pull the editor, and ship it as a plug in, or add a check box 'edit enabled' for that tab in later releases.
The whole draw is to catch cheaters and it seems to be doing a bangup job for that. Anyway my hat's off to ya.

well joe

you must admit you have been toturing os keeping the tools for your self !
and those things about removing the edit area in further versions make me SOOOO F**CKING PISSED !!! WHY ? NO USERS HAVE VPN ACCESS SO WHY REMOVE IT !

IV BEEN TRUE THIS IN SATTELITE TOOLS TO .. AND I PROMIS ILL REASSAMBLE THOSE PROGRAMS IF THEY GET OUT WITHOUT THE EDITOR !dont make money on it !

i think i can use my motto here to !
freetvforever
freefreelancerforever

give the pll the real stuff ... or ill be on my own re-assambling the new versions joe !


Cloak Is For Newbies

and ps.. lazy_boy

du skal ikke sige de til mig du !
jeg er ikke fra 30´erne


Edited by - freelancing on 23-09-2003 22:04:30

I've re-released the software to the public (with added disclaimers) and have submitted the latest build to TLR for posing. It's been a bit slow coming up on the news page (I think they've had trouble with the site being down and it's probably been keeping them very busy) but I've also supplied a link to the download on my own web site. You can find IFSO at www.ioncross.com. Help yourself, and I hope you enjoy!


Freelancer, an addition in my message, a portion JUST FOR YOU:

You seem to get angry very easily and I don't take kindly to your threatening to disassemble my code and enable things that I MIGHT have disabled. Quite frankly, your comments were quite disheartening.

The ONLY reason Pinger was suggesting I disable the editing feature was because it was causing some problems on test servers where players could no longer take off any more. I have added safeguards for this and have released the software in its fully capable form. You can trust that if I WERE to disable any features, they would be fully disabled (ie, the code removed COMPLETLY) and no amount of disassembly could bring them back. I request that you never again make threats of this nature to anyone on TLR that writes software and distributes it for free.

People like YOU make it difficult for people like ME to want to spend MY time trying to make YOUR life easier. You're taking the joy out of my time here and I'd appreciate it if you refrained from doing it again.

I'm not about giving tools to a select few people in an attempt to make them better than others; I'm about making Freelancer a better game for everyone so it stays around longer and we can all enjoy it longer before everyone loses interest in it. Anyone that's ever had correspondance with me here will attest to that.



-- JoeBoomz
IONCROSS

Edited by - JoeBoomz on 23-09-2003 22:34:42

sorry joe it will not happend again ...though i have my own way to express what i feel...

and pinger made me remember old times !
he gets the tools remember .. he is a tester ..
therefore he dont care ... migth be becoes of TRADING it away for SOMETHING
before it gets publich ! (yes i know you guys)

i respect the way you drive your hobby joe... i just dont like those on the stik
who have it all, telling os we dont deserve it !
i migth be wrong ... i say what it looks like 2 MANY pll
just like it is !
im not afraid telling the truth !

i did rule the world once

Cloak Is For Newbies

This guy LOVES to make threats! Look here from the Elite server announcement sticky:

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go do that your self lamer...
anyway the server isent that popular....
most of the players is local lan players administrating the pll...

i got banned becoes the server side use cloak ... and clients are not allowed !

i TALKED about it ....anyway ill do my best to tell some friends the ip !

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Sounds like he's threatening to have some hackers crash the server, don't it?

BAN

i can say it again ...

Elite banned me for talking !
thats lame ! they are a little to harsh !
those like me is not allowed to talk with public !
we know to much !
i send the open ports to christian LOL
there was 3-4 on port 0-9000

Cloak Is For Newbies

Edited by - freelancing on 24-09-2003 00:33:34

@Freelancer I got the beta test cause I took the time bug test the character editor and report those bugs, so when the Operator came up for beta and Joe offered I took it. I was simply in the right place at the right time.

@qwerty think your reading too much in to what he said, english isn't his first language. So I dont want this thread ending as most do, a flame fest cause you miss understood what he was saying

Am I ? go read the sticky! see where Stinger edited his flame post!

yes sorry pinger ..

its not ment to be on you ...(only)

but i understand that not all can be beta testers !
im just jalous !
im just very sad about it !

Http://freelancing.da.ru

now that i have been mailed the cloak mod and several beta versions of all kind of tools yours to joe:

i have it all .. ill LEAVE .... next time i log on i have new ip account ect
just remember
Cloak Is For Newbies And Forget About Hiding Stuff From ME !

Edited by - freelancing on 24-09-2003 01:24:19

Oi, charming little nazi isn't he?
No matter.
Joe, don't mind the nay sayers and keep up the good work bud.

well version 1.2 is out get it from http://ioncross/ifso.html , fixes a editing bug, nothing admin side.

BTW if you dont want to have the long player listing regeneration times on a new version backup all the INI's in the FLSO dir. Saves those 10 mins when a new version is out.

Why do you need an editor with this type of server admin tool ? Reading client files , I can understand , but to be able to edit client files seems to go a bit overboard almost to the point that the server admin could be accused of 'modding' the client files . What if you , the server admin , make a mistake on a client file ? Then if you havent made backups you could be in for a lot of explaining. Where as with the standard server admin options of just kick or ban , very little is lost if the server admin makes a mistake .