Mr. StayOnTopic:
I realize the post that I just made was pretty much a watered down version of my original post which ilicited your response - ah well - guess I had to say it.

Topics will wander - as long as we do not start a war and everyone is MINDFUL of the original topic and why what you are saying has some bearing on it, all should be well.

"To the last, I grapple with thee..." -Melville

It appears Regulator and I were typing at the same time.

Cheers man.

"To the last, I grapple with thee..." -Melville

I think this is a server I should definetly avoid. Too many people get banned because the admin is *too* fast with the ban button.

I've seen 5 or more threads on this forum where people got banned because they accepted a cash donation or recieved a random possible cheat kick. If the server says: No mods, then I do't use mods, simple. I've been kicked by the server so many times while I wasn't running a mod that I stopped counting possible cheat kicks.

To me, this admin seems to kick/ban a little to fast and doesn't really want to listen to people who play an honest game.

Look lets be honest here THE SURVER ANDMIN IS GOD if his message says follow my rule or be banned fair enough. If you have'nt bothered to read the rules thats your problem. So please STOP WINEING.

You know, I can empathize with the people who have been banned for whatever reason be it legit or not, I really can. I can even appreciate them being able to voice their displeasure on a public forum the know the person who banned them visits. I have no problem with people venting, I really dont. Now it's my turn.

I beta tested Freelancer for many hours in 6 months. I feel a sort of kinship with the game and some of the VERY nice testers I met along the way. It was a crushing blow to see our game slammed up on the Warez site 4 days after it went gold. It is ALSO a crushing blow to see a pilot come on to a server and without A N Y regard for the others playing, muck up the entire world of gaming for everyone because they have this cute little proggy that gives them some sort of morphed gawd mode or something. Since I was so involved in the testing of Freelancer I feel compelled to defend it's design because I was there while it was being built. A flawed mindset? Maybe. It simply bugs the cow dung out of me to see people try to deliberately do something to affect the gaming experience of others.

As many complaints as I get from people being banned "unjustly" I get 3 times as many people complaining about their server experience being screwed up by other pilots. What would YOU do about it?

Rob "Stinger" Lordier
Moderator - Lancers Reactor
Creator Privateer FAQ
Webmaster - My current hobby/project
no good deed will ever go unpunished
Co-Admin Elite Freelancer Server

Oh boo hoo. Guys, just because you've opened up a computer to allow people to play FL doesn't mean that they owe you jack. Fact is, you have placed the machine into the public domain and - whether you like it or not - how you act towards the users is going to be reflected in forums like these; for good or bad. So some guy calls you a Nazi - big deal. Maybe you are, maybe you aren't. Fact is, if you can't take the rough with the smooth, unplug the box and go cry elsewhere because ther are plenty of other servers out there - you'll be missed for ... oh an hour or two or however long it'll take folks to get a fully loaded Eagle. You want people to kiss your ass for setting up a FL server? Go to a circle **** - you'll have better luck.

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You want people to kiss your ass for setting up a FL server? Go to a circle **** - you'll have better luck.

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Yeah, you bunch of idiots! You actually expect us, the gaming public, to thank you for providing a place for us to play? Get real, you dim-wits. We don't owe you jack. Furthermore, we reserve the right to get on any platform we can find to complain about, insult, and degrade your server anytime we wish for whatever pathetic and/or insignificant reason we have. We don't even need a reason. We have a God-given right to be loud-mouthed a-holes, so you'd better start giving us what we want, when we want it. Or else...or else we'll keep whining. Don't like it? Pull the plug. We dare you.

/end sarcasm

Admins of all the Freelancer servers: Keep up the good work. They say it's a thankless job, well, I want to offer my continued thanks for the free service you provide. I've spent many hours enjoying myself in servers represented here in these forums. Keep up the good work!


http://clanjfp.org
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson

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Oh boo hoo. Guys, just because you've opened up a computer to allow people to play FL doesn't mean that they owe you jack.

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We do own the server and global domain my butt. Read the disclaimers the next time open Freelancer and don't click/click/click thru the game menus before thinking you're entitled to diddly squat. I know I'm not, what makes anyone else any better? Last time I checked you didn't pay my bills. If you did I'd have a lot more Direct TV stations.

I must disagree with the above comments. Browclops is shutting down and many of its residents are still missing that server. It has been quite a bit longer than an hour or two, since we stopped playing there. Browclops did not just offer a well-run stable server, but a very rich culture and the monkey theme. Browclops did not hesitate to use the ban gun, when needed, but he didn't hesitate to help players when they were in need either. Above all, he treated players with respect and he gets it in return. Browclops is truely appreciated and will be missed.

The reason this thread is here is not because we are being ungrateful "a-hole" players. Unjust banning/deleting isn't the only reason either. The reason this thread was posted here is because of the lack of empathy/sympathy/consideration/respect given to victims when they ask for help and explanations.

The excessive sarcasm detracts from the point of this thread. The insults and sarcasm directed to the admins make us look like a bunch of ungrateful players that have no respect for admins. Sure players get angry and get a little pissy while argueing a point. Arbitrary sarcasm does not help our case at all. When reading your comments, they appear to be against the admins at first glace, but they do nothing other than hurt the credibility of the truely concerned players.

Regulator

Pheonix,

It would help if you read and understood the thread before you posted your disrespectful comments.

Regulator

i think this thread needs to be locked, the arguments are going in circles and not worth listening to. both sides have made their points

"0bSiDeO and cO:"

- admin is too strict and should lighten up with the rules
- rules are not easily understandable
- hosts need to respect players more 'cause without players a server is pointless (a valid argument although a bit nieve)

"genedefectalliance"
- dont have time for extra crap
- host IS god on his server, dont like it....tough
- want to provide an enjoyable, longandpointlessname-free, atmosphere

it is very likely that i have missed some points in my evaluation, but i do not believe there is anything significant enough to allow further conversation on this subject. both sides are at a stalemate, with niether side willing to compromise.

these are the facts of the case, and they are undisputed. (quote from "a few good men"
g'day

Edited by - admiral_tolwyn on 01-08-2003 17:19:59

I thought I'd made a post requesting this thread be locked yesterday afternoon.
Perhaps i misclickied.. who knows. In any case this is certainly out of control.

Tolwyn, you've watered down what the thread turned into not it's intent. This should NOT have been some sort of debate about who "knows best" how to run an FL server or make the community REALLY work.
I made a post telling players to FOLLOW GD's rules or there would be serious consequenses. One of our company's "points" in your outline you've deem naive'?
That is the one 'point' which led to genedefect's initial and crass response to my opening statement. Of course, to the same end, I probably overracted to that response and so on and so forth.

What I'm getting at is - yeah at this point, locking might be an option, so let me reiterrate to all those folks out there:

IF YOU PLAY ON 24/7-Seattle - FOLLOW GENEDEFECT'S SERVER RULES!!!

NO BOLOGNA!!!!

"To the last, I grapple with thee..." -Melville

I am respectfully take my leave of this thread. (again)

Hope to see you guys in space.

Cheers.

SiD

"To the last, I grapple with thee..." -Melville

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both sides are at a stalemate, with niether side willing to compromise.

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The sides have not come to a stalemate with no side compromizing. We have come to an understanding. This thread is done.

IF YOU PLAY ON 24/7-Seattle - FOLLOW GENEDEFECT'S SERVER RULES!!!

Regulator
Letter To Browclops

Edited by - Regulator on 05-08-2003 00:37:01